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    Posted: 22 Jul 22 at 8:40am
Originally posted by CT249

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I have nothing against the ILCA or ILCA sailors , I sailed one for 20 years and don’t regret it, it was the best option for me at that time . And even today , if big fleet sailing is most important to a you it’s still a good choice. 
If, like me, big fleet sailing it not the most important thing, then there are newer, better and much nicer  boats to sail. 
 
Have a nice day  Smile


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Fair enough, but (and it's a fairly big "but" IMHO) is a forum better if people sling insults at boats merely because they are not good choices for them at a particular time?  Or is a forum better if people respect the boats that others love?

Forums are about opinions and with out them there is no forum . Look I dislike loads of boats Solos being the top of the list and include anything roto moulded apart from the Feva. BUT that doesn’t mean I am disrespecting the boats , the people that sail them or the reasons they have chosen them .It just means I don’t like them, end of nothing more. If someone wants to take a comment about a boat they love as a  personal insult that’s says more about them than the original poster. 
The bottom line is as long as people come to the forum , in good humour , play nice and stay away from personal insults, people will continue to post  Smile. 


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Originally posted by Grumpycat

[QUOTE=turnturtle]Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it

It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday  LOL.
But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening  were good 13mph base  gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday  Smile) .
Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too Wink. 
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The 4 has had quite an increase over the years. Maybe partly responsible for the decline in the topper? 

I actually think Olympic status hurts the full rig attendances. Maybe not at a club level, but at nationals events and rankers etc. The very top Olympic squaddies might not be there, but the there are quite a few who are close to that level. I mean, most adult fleets don't have many sailors, even at the top, who hold aspiration to win an Olympic medal, and they don't really need out hiking by a 20 years old to understand that. 

The laser Olympic status probably does help the radial, 4.7 in the same way the 49er helps the 29er and the 470 the 420. The youth boats is a place where you can buy in to the dream without having directly crushed by those living the dream. 

I mean, if Olympic status really helps a class, then where are the big attendances for the 49er, Nacra and 470? 
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For sure the ILCA is getting pretty big numbers. However if it were not an Olympic class how many would be sailing it. You are talking just under a hundred ILCA4 which are mainly kids sailing. In the ILCA 5 there is a lot of females and 16-18 year olds as you would maybe expect. In the ILCA7 there is only 56 boats and from a quick glance around half seem at the young end of the spectrum. 

So my question is that whilst the Laser seems like a good nationals attendance how would it fair if it was not an Olympic pathway boat? It seems to me like the numbers above would catastrophically drop to the point where they would be well below that of a Solo or even things like D Zeros and Aeros. The ILCA 7 numbers would worry me at current rates.  
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it

It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday  LOL.
But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening  were good 13mph base  gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday  Smile) .
Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too Wink. 
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[QUOTE=Grumpycat] 
I have nothing against the ILCA or ILCA sailors , I sailed one for 20 years and don’t regret it, it was the best option for me at that time . And even today , if big fleet sailing is most important to a you it’s still a good choice. 
If, like me, big fleet sailing it not the most important thing, then there are newer, better and much nicer  boats to sail. 
 
Have a nice day  Smile


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Fair enough, but (and it's a fairly big "but" IMHO) is a forum better if people sling insults at boats merely because they are not good choices for them at a particular time?  Or is a forum better if people respect the boats that others love?


Edited by CT249 - 21 Jul 22 at 11:37pm
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Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Hitler didn't agree with drinking piss, Ghandi didn't agree with taking it....

I hope you've got some breeze with the calmer sunshine mate, enjoy the sunny fruits of your hard graft!

If you talking sailing . My results in the D-zero are not as consistent  compared to my British moth or ILCA results. Last Sunday I just couldn’t  catch anyone , this evening in a very similar wind strength I only lost out to a very well sailed British moth ( guess who lol ? ) by a few metres and beat a sailor in a supersofa who I’ve only beaten a handful of times in the 20+ years I’ve sailed a L.S.S.C. The bottom line is I just enjoy sailing the D-zero even if things don’t go my way and you cannot hope for anything more. 
If you are talking life, am more happy with my life choices and semi retirement is great. My days are full of good breeze and sunshine .  Smile
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Hitler didn't agree with drinking piss, Ghandi didn't agree with taking it....

I hope you've got some breeze with the calmer sunshine mate, enjoy the sunny fruits of your hard graft!
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Originally posted by turnturtle

They were both at war with the British too... 

True LOL think they used slightly different methods though.  Wink

Seriously though I think we agree on a lot of stuff. 
Certainly more than Gandhi and Hitler  LOL Big smile
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