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    Posted: 12 Jul 22 at 7:20am
110 entries though. Not many adult classes can match that.

If only all those topper squad kids sailes on into adulthood. The whole zone squad, national squad thing seems designed to filter most people out the system in favour of a few Olympic hopefuls..;£#££
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I don't know of anyone going to the Topper Nationals this year but I do know a few going to the Topper Worlds at Garda, I assume this is a reason the entry is down.
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I did see yesterday on FB that the Toppers have announced that "..Owing to lower than expected numbers at this years Nationals the Racing Committee have decided that all fleets will be racing on the same course area this year."

The website is showing just less than 110 entries across all 4 fleets so far for the event at WPSNA


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There are 'classes' with some semblence of functional class racing, and then there are 'designs' or 'models' which are members of the PY class.  Whether there are too many 'classes' might be a separate question from whether  there are too many 'models' in PY racing. Are there too many classes holding 'Nationals'? I don't tend to think so, I don't think a bunch of people holding an annual championship for a minor class really detracts from the major classes. I think it's generally a good thing for people who sail the less prestigeous classes to get as many boats as possible together and call it a nationals, given that people have already chosen to own and race that 'minor' class. I'm not wholly convinced that the merit or quality of a Nationals is all about 'more boats'.
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Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

]But it is silly now. In a bored 5 minutes, I named 30 different single handers

My database of classes that have or have had PY numbers runs to nearly 550 entries and is incomplete - I don't have lists for much of the 70s and early 80s. There are what, 92 in the current list. There are any number of classes that have vanished without trace. Unfortunately I don't have no of crew recorded for many of the classes so I can't tell you how many singlehanders there are that you've never heard of, but even with the shift from crewed boats to singlehanders I bet there are plenty.
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Correct Jim C. I don’t have any problem with the number of classes. Classes come and classes go. People should sail what they want. If enough people want to sail a class it survives. If they don’t it dies , SIMPLE .  Smile
Take the Solo and the ILCA both very  healthy classes that a lot of sailers love . If they were the only two singlehanded classes , I would give up sailing .  Dead

But it is silly now. In a bored 5 minutes, I named 30 different single handers, and that was lumping all the Laser variants as 1, all the Aero variants as 1 (and all the Minisail variants as 1  Smile )
The old classes never die - the aforementioned Minisail being one.


I'm not sure half a dozen minisails are affecting other national circuits. And old designs do die. Just take a look at some of the 60s and 70s dinghy recognition books. Occasionally they will turn up on ebay, be the subject of "what is that?" and then vanish again.
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Correct Jim C. I don’t have any problem with the number of classes. Classes come and classes go. People should sail what they want. If enough people want to sail a class it survives. If they don’t it dies , SIMPLE .  Smile
Take the Solo and the ILCA both very  healthy classes that a lot of sailers love . If they were the only two singlehanded classes , I would give up sailing .  Dead

But it is silly now. In a bored 5 minutes, I named 30 different single handers, and that was lumping all the Laser variants as 1, all the Aero variants as 1 (and all the Minisail variants as 1  Smile )
The old classes never die - the aforementioned Minisail being one.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote KazRob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 22 at 9:56am
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Most people in history, and in the world today, have never had the chance to feel a hull carve along under sail; those minutes of joy when a first puffs of a summer sea breeze filters across the water and fills the sail; the stunning beauty of the sunlight hitting wave crests; that lovely sensation of a bow coming off a wave and the curves of the hull meeting the water again; the artful contest of skill in a tacking duel with a friend; and so many more wondrous moments.
Every class in this amazing sport has so many wonders to offer the mind, soul and body.



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Obviously everyone has the right to their own taste, but even if we had to sail classes we didn't like there'd still be a huge amount to love in this sport.

Most people in history, and in the world today, have never had the chance to feel a hull carve along under sail; those minutes of joy when a first puffs of a summer sea breeze filters across the water and fills the sail; the stunning beauty of the sunlight hitting wave crests; that lovely sensation of a bow coming off a wave and the curves of the hull meeting the water again; the artful contest of skill in a tacking duel with a friend; and so many more wondrous moments.

Every class in this amazing sport has so many wonders to offer the mind, soul and body.




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Correct Jim C. I don’t have any problem with the number of classes. Classes come and classes go. People should sail what they want. If enough people want to sail a class it survives. If they don’t it dies , SIMPLE .  Smile
Take the Solo and the ILCA both very  healthy classes that a lot of sailers love . If they were the only two singlehanded classes , I would give up sailing .  Dead
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