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Scorpion numbers seem strong (maxed out 75, vs 65 last year). Merlin Salcombe week seems strong. Solo numbers are strong. Maybe the number of strong classes is declining, but the biggest remain big?
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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We have all banged on for years about there being too many classes, it would seem inevitable that racers who who like the championship/sailing week thing will congregate in the classes that offer this, including Merlin, Solos and 200s. Whilst the entry fees for these events may seem high (I just paid Euro 260 to do the Solo Nations Cup) the event organisers are often trying to put together an attractive package including socials by mutualising the costs across the entry.
I think that these events have to stand up on the host clubs balance sheet to make them worthwhile, even if a they rely on a lot of volunteers, and health and safety issues don’t make managing these events any easier. I would suggest that accommodation costs are by far the most challenging aspect of attending a championship or sailing week. I would also suggest that by far the long term challenging aspect to the numbers will be an aging demographic, there comes a point where sitting around waiting for the wind to fill in or stabilise ceases to be much fun.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Correct Jim C. I don’t have any problem with the number of classes. Classes come and classes go. People should sail what they want. If enough people want to sail a class it survives. If they don’t it dies , SIMPLE .
![]() Take the Solo and the ILCA both very healthy classes that a lot of sailers love . If they were the only two singlehanded classes , I would give up sailing .
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Obviously everyone has the right to their own taste, but even if we had to sail classes we didn't like there'd still be a huge amount to love in this sport.
Most people in history, and in the world today, have never had the chance to feel a hull carve along under sail; those minutes of joy when a first puffs of a summer sea breeze filters across the water and fills the sail; the stunning beauty of the sunlight hitting wave crests; that lovely sensation of a bow coming off a wave and the curves of the hull meeting the water again; the artful contest of skill in a tacking duel with a friend; and so many more wondrous moments. Every class in this amazing sport has so many wonders to offer the mind, soul and body. Edited by CT249 - 10 Jul 22 at 9:44am |
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KazRob ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Oct 16 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 245 |
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Dinghy sailing summed up to perfection |
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Mark Aged 42 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 98 |
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But it is silly now. In a bored 5 minutes, I named 30 different single handers, and that was lumping all the Laser variants as 1, all the Aero variants as 1 (and all the Minisail variants as 1 ![]() The old classes never die - the aforementioned Minisail being one. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'm not sure half a dozen minisails are affecting other national circuits. And old designs do die. Just take a look at some of the 60s and 70s dinghy recognition books. Occasionally they will turn up on ebay, be the subject of "what is that?" and then vanish again. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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My database of classes that have or have had PY numbers runs to nearly 550 entries and is incomplete - I don't have lists for much of the 70s and early 80s. There are what, 92 in the current list. There are any number of classes that have vanished without trace. Unfortunately I don't have no of crew recorded for many of the classes so I can't tell you how many singlehanders there are that you've never heard of, but even with the shift from crewed boats to singlehanders I bet there are plenty. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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There are 'classes' with some semblence of functional class racing, and then there are 'designs' or 'models' which are members of the PY class. Whether there are too many 'classes' might be a separate question from whether there are too many 'models' in PY racing. Are there too many classes holding 'Nationals'? I don't tend to think so, I don't think a bunch of people holding an annual championship for a minor class really detracts from the major classes. I think it's generally a good thing for people who sail the less prestigeous classes to get as many boats as possible together and call it a nationals, given that people have already chosen to own and race that 'minor' class. I'm not wholly convinced that the merit or quality of a Nationals is all about 'more boats'.
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