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    Posted: 09 Jul 22 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

We have all banged on for years about there being too many classes


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We have all banged on for years about there being too many classes, it would seem inevitable that racers who who like the championship/sailing week thing will congregate in the classes that offer this, including Merlin, Solos and 200s.  Whilst the entry fees for these events may seem high (I just paid Euro 260 to do the Solo Nations Cup) the event organisers are often trying to put together an attractive package including socials by mutualising the costs across the entry.

I think that these events have to stand up on the host clubs balance sheet to make them worthwhile, even if a they rely on a lot of volunteers, and health and safety issues don’t make managing these events any easier.

I would suggest that accommodation costs are by far the most challenging aspect of attending a championship or sailing week.

I would also suggest that by far the long term challenging aspect to the numbers will be an aging demographic, there comes a point where sitting around waiting for the wind to fill in or stabilise ceases to be much fun.
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the D-Zero Nationals ....was right down in numbers with 27 entries at Brixham compared to last year's 56 at Largs. 
Just to remind everyone the question was not whether Nationals north of Watford are worth going to (of course they are), but rather compared to last year are we in for a sharp drop in numbers generally this year?
Scorpion numbers seem strong (maxed out 75, vs 65 last year).  Merlin Salcombe week seems strong.  Solo numbers are strong.  Maybe the number of strong classes is declining, but the biggest remain big?
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You'd have to dig quite deep to understand the finances of a nationals. Clubs charge a fair bit, CA's have expenses like trophies, secretarial effort etc. Some costs like buying in extra safety boats or hiring race committee members, on the water judges might be paid either by the class or the club. It may look like a club is making a mint, but you have to value the volunteers' time. That's the way clubs work, people volunteer a) because they enjoy it and b) because it funds their club, keeps fees lower, subsidises youth training etc etc. Most week-long nationals seem to be in the £225 to £275 area. When it comes to 'Value for Money', look at the Value as well as the Money. In my limited experience, a lot of the real value comes from the other competitors. To me, the VFM of paying top-end money to enter a small event somewhere North of Northampton looks poor due to the low turnout, as well as the geopraphy. Classes need critical mass to put a good sized fleet in less favoured locations. Seems to me it's not just those of us living South of the M4 who prefer South Coast events, but also a lot of people who have to travel roughly similar distances whichever venue it is?


Lots of race management fee increase from clubs this year and also for socials….I think Covid saw some catering arrangements change and the new is rarely cheaper (or better VFM) than the old!

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What I have noticed last month or so is lower speeds on the motorway, will be interesting to see if there is a similar drop in accidents, due to lower speeds.    

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Originally posted by KazRob

the D-Zero Nationals ....was right down in numbers with 27 entries at Brixham compared to last year's 56 at Largs. 
Just to remind everyone the question was not whether Nationals north of Watford are worth going to (of course they are), but rather compared to last year are we in for a sharp drop in numbers generally this year?
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You'd have to dig quite deep to understand the finances of a nationals. Clubs charge a fair bit, CA's have expenses like trophies, secretarial effort etc. Some costs like buying in extra safety boats or hiring race committee members, on the water judges might be paid either by the class or the club. It may look like a club is making a mint, but you have to value the volunteers' time. That's the way clubs work, people volunteer a) because they enjoy it and b) because it funds their club, keeps fees lower, subsidises youth training etc etc. Most week-long nationals seem to be in the £225 to £275 area. When it comes to 'Value for Money', look at the Value as well as the Money. In my limited experience, a lot of the real value comes from the other competitors. To me, the VFM of paying top-end money to enter a small event somewhere North of Northampton looks poor due to the low turnout, as well as the geopraphy. Classes need critical mass to put a good sized fleet in less favoured locations. Seems to me it's not just those of us living South of the M4 who prefer South Coast events, but also a lot of people who have to travel roughly similar distances whichever venue it is?
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he entry fee for those carried forward from 2020 and those entered or registered for the waiting list prior to 16th March 2021 is £195/boat std, £175 youth (for helms under 22 at the start of the championship).

The 2021 entry fee for those entering or registering for the waiting list after 16th March 2021 and before 31st May 2021 is £225/boat std, £205 youth (for helms under 22 at the start of the championship).



Taken from the entry information for the 2021 RS400 nationals at South Shields SC

This years entry fee is £275. 


For comparison the 200 entry fee is up £40 on last year and is also £275. The 2020 fee at Filey was £190


Does anyone know what the RS class association want from each event to cover their costs? 



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TBH I don't think cost of living is really  a big deal to all that many Nationals entrants. It's once a year and it's one of your 5 weeks holiday. A lot of people are spending similar amounts in other ways. But it still has to offer value for money. So the traditional 'family week in Devon with some sailing thrown in' package still has a lot of appeal. It helps if you can be sure of having a decent day if the sailing's binned for no wind. We might even see some people do a Nationals because it's cheaper than a week in France or Italy. 115 Merlins in Salcombe this week.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

IMHO, if you're going to run a Nationals, then that needs to be the prime event of the year. Running a McNationals and then offering alternative premium events in locations many people might find cheaper and preferable seems like a risky strategy. If the 400s only get 20-odd entries to their champs in Scotland, that may mean that the 'bronze fleet' are not getting a great 'Nationals' experience. 

...absolutely - they should have deferred the Scottish based RS400 Nationals to 2023 and utilised the RS Games for the event...now all it's done is dilute the entries to both events. But with increasing costs of living I can't see how 2023 is going to be/get any better. 
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