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    Posted: 08 Jul 22 at 11:32am
If you buy into a class, you take on board the ethos and the way it's run. Unfortuantely that can narrow the choice of boats which are worth sailing 'seriously'. IMHO, if you're going to run a Nationals, then that needs to be the prime event of the year. Running a McNationals and then offering alternative premium events in locations many people might find cheaper and preferable seems like a risky strategy. If the 400s only get 20-odd entries to their champs in Scotland, that may mean that the 'bronze fleet' are not getting a great 'Nationals' experience. It's a lot of money if the racing is not brilliant for you as a paying punter.Classes which want new people to join in their big events basically can only poach them from other classes, or attract 'club' sailors to have a go at raising their game by attending opens and Nationals.

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Growing up in Penzance I have encountered some truly awful weather in Mount's Bay, fog included. Although I have lost a couple of days sailing at ELYC to fog, I did enjoy both the 400 and Europe nationals I did there.

The price that was quoted for the 400 nats does seem prohibitive though.
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Originally posted by Sailerf

Originally posted by ClubRacer

Unfortunately it looks like for the 400's a lot of people have selected the Carnac/ Rs games route (where they are getting a 3 day regatta) instead of going to Scotland for the nationals
The 200's have done the opposite, hardly anyone going to the RS games (2 day regatta) and 120+ for the nationals in Hayling island. 
Realistically the location of the nationals plays a big part and Scotland probably puts a lot of people off compared to the south coast.
I would agree some of the event organising this year has not been great. Multiple events cancelled days before the event and even loss of accommodation costs because of it.  

Having been to North Berwick last summer I would choose there over Hayling and Cornwall every time. I believe it's a shorter distance to Berwick from London than going to Mounts Bay. Great food great sailing great beaches. And you don't need to sail five miles to get to the race course.
Only goes to show doesn’t it.  I did a 200 nationals at North Berwick - it was a huge drive, the weather was sh*te and the first three/four days sailing was lost to fog.  Visiting Edinburgh was good, but I have no intention of repeating the experience. Cornwall for me!
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Originally posted by turnturtle

and you should probably squeeze one in to Belfast whilst you've still got the opportunity  Wink

We looked at holding the nationals for the Yeoman class in NI, unfortunately £400 return ferry costs with accommodation and meals in NI, boats travelling from Norfolk, Rutland and area other places meant a bill of around £1000 for 2 or 3 days sailing and two days travelling. It just wasn't economic.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sailerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 22 at 6:38am
Originally posted by ClubRacer

Unfortunately it looks like for the 400's a lot of people have selected the Carnac/ Rs games route (where they are getting a 3 day regatta) instead of going to Scotland for the nationals[DIV][/DIV][DIV]The 200's have done the opposite, hardly anyone going to the RS games (2 day regatta) and 120+ for the nationals in Hayling island. [/DIV][DIV][/DIV][DIV]Realistically the location of the nationals plays a big part and Scotland probably puts a lot of people off compared to the south coast.[/DIV][DIV][/DIV][DIV]I would agree some of the event organising this year has not been great. Multiple events cancelled days before the event and even loss of accommodation costs because of it.  [/DIV][DIV][/DIV][DIV][/DIV]

Having been to North Berwick last summer I would choose there over Hayling and Cornwall every time. I believe it's a shorter distance to Berwick from London than going to Mounts Bay. Great food great sailing great beaches. And you don't need to sail five miles to get to the race course.
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

Unfortunately it looks like for the 400's a lot of people have selected the Carnac/ Rs games route (where they are getting a 3 day regatta) instead of going to Scotland for the nationals
The 200's have done the opposite, hardly anyone going to the RS games (2 day regatta) and 120+ for the nationals in Hayling island. 
Realistically the location of the nationals plays a big part and Scotland probably puts a lot of people off compared to the south coast.
I would agree some of the event organising this year has not been great. Multiple events cancelled days before the event and even loss of accommodation costs because of it.  

Having been to North Berwick last summer I would choose there over Hayling and Cornwall every time. I believe it's a shorter distance to Berwick from London than going to Mounts Bay. Great food great sailing great beaches. And you don't need to sail five miles to get to the race course.
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and you should probably squeeze one in to Belfast whilst you've still got the opportunity  Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 22 at 2:37pm
The thing is, though, if you are genuinely a GB wide class you have to have champs in Wales, Scotland, and even [whisper quietly] Northern England, and accept that turnouts will be lower at some venues.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 22 at 11:39am
Unfortunately it looks like for the 400's a lot of people have selected the Carnac/ Rs games route (where they are getting a 3 day regatta) instead of going to Scotland for the nationals

The 200's have done the opposite, hardly anyone going to the RS games (2 day regatta) and 120+ for the nationals in Hayling island. 

Realistically the location of the nationals plays a big part and Scotland probably puts a lot of people off compared to the south coast.

I would agree some of the event organising this year has not been great. Multiple events cancelled days before the event and even loss of accommodation costs because of it.  


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Originally posted by gbr940

.... with an extortionate entry fee makes the event completely nonviable for so many.

Wow - I've just look that up and £295 is pretty steep for sure. That with the combination of peak holiday season and a festival being on at the same time is going to make it quite a painful week financially for some. The webpage is only showing 25 entered compared to 50 last year.
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