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    Posted: 25 Apr 22 at 3:30pm
I have to say class racing in the British moth was fun and and everything you described. My limited  experience of Laser class racing was definitely not something I would ever want to do again.  Smile
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Eric-c. I see now.  Smile

Not a problem for me . I’ve always been a very average sailor and even though I’ve done class racing I don’t find it ‘ special’ or ‘ better ‘ . 
Much rather do  pursuits ( where I am often last boat off ) and see how far I can get in the mixed fleet, second is my best so far in the 8 months I’ve owned the boat.
Everyone to their own though. We all have to get our sailing fun in different ways , after all there is only ever one winner in a race .  Smile

I enjoy a balance of 'class' racing in the Laser, and casual PY racing in other boats. Plus the odd outing in cruiser racing, and hopefully getting back to cross-channel wine-buying trips in a cruiser.
The class racing is the only 'racing' that has meaningful results, but I enjoy other 'sailing'. In PY racing, you can get a lot out ofthe race in terms of tactics, starting, not capsizing and so on, without caring about the results. Likewise, any actual adult ought to be able to race Lasers against people they respect and not sulk if they don't come first.
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Eric-c. I see now.  Smile

Not a problem for me . I’ve always been a very average sailor and even though I’ve done class racing I don’t find it ‘ special’ or ‘ better ‘ . 
Much rather do  pursuits ( where I am often last boat off ) and see how far I can get in the mixed fleet, second is my best so far in the 8 months I’ve owned the boat.
Everyone to their own though. We all have to get our sailing fun in different ways , after all there is only ever one winner in a race .  Smile


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From my experience I now sail in much windier conditions than I ever did when I owned my lasers in the Dzero. The gust response is night and day different, so much easier to control.
Anyone that can sail a laser can sail a D-zero .
All the Laser problems ( rig, main sheet, foils etc ) we have talked about for the last couple of pages have been corrected as you would expect as it was designed by a man that sailed at the highest level in Lasers. People might say , I would say all that as we all love are own classes don’t we ? 
All I would say is , JUST TRY ONE. I don’t think the dealer is doing demo dayes anymore but if you contact them or better still the class association , on fb or on their website, they will put you in contact with a D-zero owner that will let you have a go in your area. ( any problems message me as I probably have some useful email addresses somewhere. ) 
It’s not a perfect boat, no boat is, but it is a bloody good one  Big smile


I am tempted by the zero as my 'other boat' for PY, but to replace the Laser, you don't need to sell me a boat, you need to sell my club a fleet. The problem is, we've got sailors who are still in touch with the fleet in old Lasers worth a grand or less, maybe spending a couple of hundred quid every 3 years for a replica sail. That's 'inclusivity' for you!
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Originally posted by 423zero

Amazed at the copies of the Laser, the Russian version is almost identical,, got to have been moulded from a genuine one.


Probably made out of either titanium or bakelite and buying one is not 'the done thing' just now?

Sure I’ve seen a pic of a Eastern European Laser copy somewhere, that was open transom . Looked like a supernova from behind  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 22 at 11:06am
Originally posted by eric_c

Originally posted by Riv

Paramedic makes the key point "They are unlikely to go out in much more than a F3"
Every boat I have used has been fine and easily usable upto the an F3 when the whitecaps appear.
The Laser is a fine boat upto the F3 cut off. However racing means controlling it in higher winds and at that point it demonstrates the design limitations.
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In reality, the Laser comes into its own above F4.
That's when it starts PY winning races on the sea.

In my clubs, it's rare for Lasers to capsize on days when no other boats capsize, unless the other boats are staying ashore.

It'spossible that a modern design could be easier to keep right way up when the waves get exciting, but we just don't have the fleets of anything 'better'.The Dzero tempts me, but it's a big old rig when the Laser is pushing my limits of competence.

From my experience I now sail in much windier conditions than I ever did when I owned my lasers in the Dzero. The gust response is night and day different, so much easier to control.
Anyone that can sail a laser can sail a D-zero .
All the Laser problems ( rig, main sheet, foils etc ) we have talked about for the last couple of pages have been corrected as you would expect as it was designed by a man that sailed at the highest level in Lasers. People might say , I would say all that as we all love are own classes don’t we ? 
All I would say is , JUST TRY ONE. I don’t think the dealer is doing demo dayes anymore but if you contact them or better still the class association , on fb or on their website, they will put you in contact with a D-zero owner that will let you have a go in your area. ( any problems message me as I probably have some useful email addresses somewhere. ) 
It’s not a perfect boat, no boat is, but it is a bloody good one  Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 22 at 9:24am
Originally posted by 423zero

Amazed at the copies of the Laser, the Russian version is almost identical,, got to have been moulded from a genuine one.


Probably made out of either titanium or bakelite and buying one is not 'the done thing' just now?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 22 at 9:21am
Originally posted by Riv

Paramedic makes the key point "They are unlikely to go out in much more than a F3"
Every boat I have used has been fine and easily usable upto the an F3 when the whitecaps appear.
The Laser is a fine boat upto the F3 cut off. However racing means controlling it in higher winds and at that point it demonstrates the design limitations.
.....


In reality, the Laser comes into its own above F4.
That's when it starts PY winning races on the sea.

In my clubs, it's rare for Lasers to capsize on days when no other boats capsize, unless the other boats are staying ashore.

It'spossible that a modern design could be easier to keep right way up when the waves get exciting, but we just don't have the fleets of anything 'better'.The Dzero tempts me, but it's a big old rig when the Laser is pushing my limits of competence.
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Amazed at the copies of the Laser, the Russian version is almost identical,, got to have been moulded from a genuine one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 22 at 9:07am
Actuallythe early history of the Laser is more subtle than the 'Weekender beach boat doodle'.

The Laser as we know it took that and made it an 'America's Teacup' $1000 racer.
It walked all over the opposition and got sold for racing.
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