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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Solo. Think I ended up 13th. I was buried after the first beat and a leg or more behind the other So Slows. Got a bit of a wiggle on and made up some ground. Never sailed a Solo before,so, that was a decent first outing. The Opi helm had perseverance! I thought the Fevas would have done better but I guess the down wind legs were too broad. The Laser that won had a cracking first beat and got away but the top places were pretty close |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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That were you sailing ? We watched all the starts from the solos onwards. It was a lovely day for a sail, we were very jealous even though we were still recovering from sailing on Sunday ![]() As a side issue all power to the child in the optimist, they stuck it out for the whole race. They must have been out there for about 2 hours .
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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You are definitely not a ‘ usual suspect ‘ .
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Yes, first sail in 2 years. Got badly caught out on the first long beat going right hoping for a header off the far shore…. Whilst the wind unceasingly decided to swing south and lift the boats going left. The stuff one forgets. The 505 was sailed very well and deserved their finish position. That boat can hang out a surprisingly large amount of sail area and fly along the very many downwind legs. The top results included a wide variety of boats incl a Streaker, 505, Laser, supernova and a Fifteen. Thus proving, handicap racing works a treat! |
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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I may not be a "usual suspect" but i'm sure ive commented that the newer Supernovas are a fairly massive bandit as soon as the course in any way favours a singlehander. IE relative to similar classes they seem to have a very favourable handicap.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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if helps keep insurance premiums down, then it's progress... personally I always felt awkward claiming for a top section, it definitely hovers in the 'known running cost' area of general maintenance, of which Laser sailors are spared a fair amount compared to a lot of classes.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Depends what you regard as better. Breaks less is definitely an improvement, but will have no effect on handicaps since DNFs are excluded from the calculations. I think the Laser spars are unique or nearly so in being especially designed to negate the performance advantages normally associated with carbon spars. As to separate handicaps for Laser branded boats and ILCA branded boats, that would depend on clubs reporting the results separately, which I rather doubt will happen. |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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It’s only the top section and it is designed to replicate the same mast bend so the only real difference is the the fact it weighs a bit lighter ( and before a ILCA sailor comes on and says it weighs the same as the old ali section . This was confirmed to me in writing by the Australian manufacturer ![]() To put this into prospective. The Supernova changed to a epoxy build a few year ago and the minimum weight dropped from about 62kg to 50kg. Did it’s handicap get harder ? No, it got slightly easier because all that happened was it attracted a lot of slow sailors to the class . Also I don’t remember any of the normal suspects on here calling the Supernova a bandit when this happened at the time .
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GybeFunny ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403 |
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I believe his posts are first vetted by someone in charge of this forum before appearing for all of us to view. I get the emails that notify me of replies and you can see in his posts it says 'Verified by: xxx'.
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Witty comment The weight, bending characteristics and CoG are supposed to be the same as the tin one. As has been said above, the change is about robustness and longevity. Hence performance of the boat should be unchanged. The PY returns of the sailors sailing Lasers/ILCAs in handicap races suggest those people were performing relatively less well. But given the last PY update was 2021 based on results from the preceding year, I doubt a statistically significant number of those boats had a composite top section costing £550. I’d wager more were sailing with damage-induced pre-bent (aka slow) tin top sections than composite ones. |
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