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    Posted: 19 Apr 22 at 9:16am
Demelza, Just on Lasers or anything?

Edited by 423zero - 19 Apr 22 at 9:17am
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With regard to the PY, how many of the club racers who's races make up the bulk of the return actually have the new section yet? Based on our club I've only seen one on the Lasers we have. Caveat - our club may very well not be representative! Also of course, no class PY numbers have changed for the last two years due to lack of data caused by some other stuff that's been going on!   
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Its very confusing and not helped by the same old crew that feel they must comment on every post.  

I'm sure this forum would be more widely used if this group restricted their posts so the rest of us can read other opinions and comments that also might  be more informative. 
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From what I've seen the collars on the composite top sections (my understanding is that they also weigh the same as the old ones) are so tight a fit I've seen missed starts from them not sliding in to the bottom sections then tugs of war to get them apart again. 

Perhaps that's why the PY number has increased?
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Originally posted by 423zero

No, number is slower year on year.

And it's nothing to do with the PYAG all being Laser sailors, not that we'd know if they were.

Edited by iGRF - 19 Apr 22 at 8:33am
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No, number is slower year on year.
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Originally posted by JimC

To get back to the OP's question, yes, there are class legal part carbon Laser/ILCA spars. They are supposed to perform exactly the same way as the tin ones, but to be much less prone/unable to bend permanently under the horrendous loads people put on them with the revised kicker etc. The word on the street seems to be that the performance is as close as could be expected, but because the top end of the fleet was bending so many tin spars they are mostly using plastic ones.

The Laser ILCA thing is complicated legal stuff. To simplify "Laser Performance" are not an official builder of the class/classes administered by the International Laser Class Association, but the several companies who are current official builders are not legally allowed to use the word "Laser" to sell boats, so "ILCA" is used instead. If you want the detail there's a huge thread.


Thks. Kafkaesque. Did the PY number decrease to reflect a better mast?
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The radial or ILCA 6 has the option of a carbon bottom section.
Once they got the top sections sorted, the bottom sections started breaking.
They are however not cheap. Last time I checked double an aero mast and that has a track
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I think you will find it’s only the top section that’s a carbon/ glass composite with the full rig/ILCA 7. The lower section and the boom is still aliminium . Not sure about the radial/ILCA 6 though. Think they have or are planning to a carbon/glass bottom section . 
Think the top section has been class legal for a couple of years. 
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