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    Posted: 26 Nov 21 at 11:15am
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Originally posted by turnturtle


Originally posted by H2

the cost of depreciation is around £500 per year which is pretty good.

that's exceptional - I always banked on £1000 per annum, it could easily be worse.

Evening TT . Well you have always been the forums expert on depreciation


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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by H2

the cost of depreciation is around £500 per year which is pretty good.

that's exceptional - I always banked on £1000 per annum, it could easily be worse.

Evening TT . Well you have always been the forums expert on depreciation , with the amount of class jumping you did  LOL

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Many established classes started out with a lot less than 25 boats and usually can trace their heritage back to one or two clubs, so I think there is a difference between local viability and national critical mass.  Given how varied conditions are across the nation, it could well be that a modular design, allowing open rig/sail/foil choices would be better than trying to start a new OD class?

For example inland owners may prefer deeper foils and higher rigs, whereas sea sailors may prefer centre-boards and lower aspect sails.
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Originally posted by H2

the cost of depreciation is around £500 per year which is pretty good.

that's exceptional - I always banked on £1000 per annum, it could easily be worse.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 21 at 10:33am
Not sure what the minimum number of boats for a fleet is - I purchased the 15th H2 to be built and we seemed to get to around 25 or 30 boats shortly thereafter. That was enough for 18 boats at the nationals and some good opens as well as plenty of chatter on the association FB page between owners. Then Brexit and COVID came along and things really slowed down. I recall chatting to a friend who expressed that it was a make or break time for the class so I was relieved when lockdown ended and the orders started to flow in. Last weekend the 50th boat was launched and the order book is full for the year ahead. Interestingly the boats sell within a few days when they come up and the cost of depreciation is around £500 per year which is pretty good. As one of the last "new" classes I hope this info helps in the discussion?
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Originally posted by A2Z

I’ve often thought that a kickstarter campaign would be useful. Take deposits for a new class but promise to only build if you get, say, 25 deposits. And return the deposit if you don’t get 25 takers. Helps the buyer know they will have critical mass racing and helps fund the tooling for the builder.

I believe that's the basic premise of Kickstarter. But a national fleet of 25 would be a bit marginal maybe even in the beginning?
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Originally posted by 423zero

Never going to be like automobile manufacturing, changing models every ten years, old models usually gone in the next ten years, that's what griff the salesman wants, you can read into what happened with windsurfing, new model, new model, shame the owners into a new board every couple of years,what board do you have, WHAT, that's so last year.

I don't think it was quite that simple but there's a lot of truth in that, thankfully dinghy sailing has manage to avoid that mindset, mostly anyway.


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Originally posted by davidyacht

The problem with bringing new classes into the market is that you are consigned to handicap racing until there is a critical mass, which might never arrive, and residuals don’t work until this point has been reached.
The only way to overcome this is to come up with a boat that is so much fun that you can accept racing in a handicap fleet.

I’ve often thought that a kickstarter campaign would be useful. Take deposits for a new class but promise to only build if you get, say, 25 deposits. And return the deposit if you don’t get 25 takers. Helps the buyer know they will have critical mass racing and helps fund the tooling for the builder.
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If quality of racing is what is important to you, then there are a few classes where the depth of competition is probably as good as it has ever been, this is aided and abetted by the aging demographic.

There are also a number of clubs where racing is in a good place, but not as many as in the 70’s.

The problem with bringing new classes into the market is that you are consigned to handicap racing until there is a critical mass, which might never arrive, and residuals don’t work until this point has been reached.

The only way to overcome this is to come up with a boat that is so much fun that you can accept racing in a handicap fleet.   

If you are trying to draw dinghy racers from established one design fleets it has to be a very good offer.

Details such as daggerboard vs. centreboard are trivial compared with the big picture.

Kieth Callaghan has to be commended in pulling this off with the Hadron H2


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 21 at 6:36pm
Never going to be like automobile manufacturing, changing models every ten years, old models usually gone in the next ten years, that's what griff the salesman wants, you can read into what happened with windsurfing, new model, new model, shame the owners into a new board every couple of years,what board do you have, WHAT, that's so last year.
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