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    Posted: 19 Nov 21 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by 423zero

GC, very hard to see that pursuit is easier to run than a handicap, please explain.

Anything is easy if you know how to do it............

With a pursuit race once the start sequence is out of the way its sit back at watch almost. If your course/lake is too small and slower boats have sailed a lap before faster boats have started it becomes a bit more problematic but other than that the race finish is a simple work/motor back through the fleet and record positions. No times, no entering results into a computer to generate the result with the associated risk of getting it wrong.

Race system choice is horses for courses. They work brilliantly in some settings, abysmally in others. If your RO is incompetent you stand little chance with either.

Re the original post assuming a committee boat start whats wrong with an analogue kitchen clock, set to midnight and released at the race start? You only need to give the competitors a clue as go when the next start is and when they should start their watch. If its shore based this simply shouldn't be a problem unless you're late arriving and thats not the fault of the race system.

Paramedic thanks  very much for posting this explanation. You did it much clearer than I would have done and with out my innate grumpiness  Wink

Re RO s . This is a thankless job and clubs need to organise as much help as possible for them both with training and with auto starting systems . Not only does our m/c do all the starting and finish guns .When doing handicap races all club members are already entering in to the m/c( with a manual override if people are swapping boats )  so all the RO has to do is click on their name to enter them into the race and at the finish all the RO has to click on their name again and the m/c automatically records their time and works out the results.
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Originally posted by 423zero

GC, very hard to see that pursuit is easier to run than a handicap, please explain.

Anything is easy if you know how to do it............

With a pursuit race once the start sequence is out of the way its sit back at watch almost. If your course/lake is too small and slower boats have sailed a lap before faster boats have started it becomes a bit more problematic but other than that the race finish is a simple work/motor back through the fleet and record positions. No times, no entering results into a computer to generate the result with the associated risk of getting it wrong.

Race system choice is horses for courses. They work brilliantly in some settings, abysmally in others. If your RO is incompetent you stand little chance with either.

Re the original post assuming a committee boat start whats wrong with an analogue kitchen clock, set to midnight and released at the race start? You only need to give the competitors a clue as go when the next start is and when they should start their watch. If its shore based this simply shouldn't be a problem unless you're late arriving and thats not the fault of the race system.


Edited by Paramedic - 19 Nov 21 at 8:12am
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GC, very hard to see that pursuit is easier to run than a handicap, please explain.
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Originally posted by A2Z

Gosh, what a cheery bunch. 
4230 - how do you know pursuit racing is so bad if you’ve never tried it?
Grumpcat - by that logic you don’t need any signals… just declare the first start to be 1100hrs GMT and tell competitors to sync their watches to the speaking clock. 
Quite glad I don’t sail with all you miserable sods!

Err I never said  you didn’t need signals ie guns and flags, that would be stupid .But that’s all you need. 
All a sailor needs to know is his start time and set his watch to first gun, SIMLPIES .
What you don’t  need a great big timer on the back of the committee boat, it’s total overkill for something so simple .
 BUT if that’s what OP club wants , that’s fine . Smile
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Originally posted by 423zero

LOL I always try to have a laugh LOL, sit back and watch the debacle of a 'pursuit race', training RO's is difficult enough, without trying to get them to run a pursuit race.

For a RO a pursuit is simple compared to a handicap race . No yardsticks to work out .No times need to be taken . Everyone knows where they finished before they have even come off the water. 

Only one difference between handicap and pursuit races.
Handicap races favour fast boats.
Pursuits races favour slow boats. 


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Oh  Smile and not forgetting RO trying to explain they needed to pass the 'Mirror' twice.
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LOL I always try to have a laugh LOL, sit back and watch the debacle of a 'pursuit race', training RO's is difficult enough, without trying to get them to run a pursuit race.
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Gosh, what a cheery bunch. 
4230 - how do you know pursuit racing is so bad if you’ve never tried it?
Grumpcat - by that logic you don’t need any signals… just declare the first start to be 1100hrs GMT and tell competitors to sync their watches to the speaking clock. 
Quite glad I don’t sail with all you miserable sods!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 21 at 5:56pm
Worst racing in sailing history, totally waste of time and effort, never been in one and never intend to either, won't run one either.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 21 at 5:49pm
Sorry still think it’s easier for a sailor to look at his own watch .

I have no  idea why so many sailors seem to need to have their a@@e wiped for them when they are doing pursuit races.
They are just so so easy  Wink
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