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    Posted: 02 Nov 21 at 4:08pm
Not light and not foiling or suitable for a shingle beach but..........

Doesn't fall over, not heard they break and not designed in 1953.

K1 ??? I know a couple of blokes who do sail respectively single sail single wire and three sail single wire dinghies; they have K1 s for winter racing and fun of going around the bay and they love em. 

The bulb keel slippery single hander could be seen as a step change for some.

Just saying  Beer

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Originally posted by 423zero

Foiling and weight reduction, are these the final steps for dinghy sailing? Have we reached maturity?


No, not by a long chalk, but I think we need to quantify what we mean by performance, performance in terms of speed? Or performance in close quarter tactical dinghy racing in which the helm can just focus on the racing, not wrestling with an uncontrollable old hulk which falls over, leaks, bits break off, has a restriction on controls, requires a crane to launch and recover and which user manual was written in 1953?

To me the best things recently have been the D0 and Aero, but such a pity there were near misses of that ultimate goal. Had the Aero just been 20 cm longer, with a retracting cb and the D0 rig. Had the D Zero had some grip upfront, a retracting cb, a bit more nose (or tail)rocker and some better self baling solution.

I've sailed lots of stuff now in my quest for perfection and still it eludes me, but maybe that's part of the attraction?



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I would say no. 
Depends on your definition of performance .
Weight reduction maybe the holy grail for outright speed potential, as is foiling.
However they both come at a cost in terms of sail-ability and expense.
To me an ever narrowing alleyway. 
 
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Foiling and weight reduction, are these the final steps for dinghy sailing? Have we reached maturity?
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"I would not find it fun to be 5-10% off the pace of the winner."
I don't agree with that. No matter what your relative standard is in a fleet, if you are having close competition with other boats, that is fun. Maybe 90% of a fleet have no realistic chance of winning, but still take part, week in, week out. Why? Because they have fun doing their thing.
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Firstly I thought this topic was about Performance step changes not cost or ability's . But if john80 can race Slingsby at only 5-10 percent performance deficit in an older foiling Moth you must be some sailor. Wink 
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Originally posted by Sailerf

And I thought sailing for the masses ended with the package holiday. 26k compared to motor sport looks like a drop in the ocean but you can have a lot of fun for nearly 20k less than quoted. and 120 boats at the world was not to bad.
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I would not find it fun to be 5-10% of the pace of the winner. If it is just to blast about there are many foiling options from windsurfing to kiting to go at substantially cheaper.
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And I thought sailing for the masses ended with the package holiday. 26k compared to motor sport looks like a drop in the ocean but you can have a lot of fun for nearly 20k less than quoted. and 120 boats at the world was not to bad.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TT2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 21 at 11:12am

Rumour has it the Worlds winning moth sold for 48,000 euro after the regatta in Garda. 
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Originally posted by Sailerf

Those bits the Moth class stuck on the bottom of there foils seam to have been a bit of a step change that has been brilliant to watch. So there is at least one good development since the 70s I think.  Wink

Not sure that £26k second hand for an 11ft boat is going to take dinghy sailing to the masses 
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