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    Posted: 23 Apr 21 at 1:57pm
Surely partly depends whether your class rules dictate the shape of your rudder.  If the class rules insist on it being  measured in the down position you'd be out of class sailing with it raised.
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48.2 No person on board shall intentionally leave, except when ill or injured, or to help a person or vessel in danger, or to swim. A person leaving the boat by accident or to swim shall be back in contact with the boat before the crew resumes sailing the boat to the next mark.


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A cheeky variation on this theme - Hornets reaching, cheating the current inshore going over a very shallow spit. Rudders up, board up. One helm jumps out of the boat running along side steering! Legal?
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Originally posted by davidyacht

A bit like seeing people standing on the  shore with 30 secs to the gun

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A bit like seeing people standing on the  shore with 30 secs to the gun

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Originally posted by JimC

There are classes which require the rudder to be fully down at all times, but that's a class rules thing. There is nothing in the racing rules of sailing requiring you to sail with a rudder at all!
What isn't permitted is to use the rudder for paddling or sculling, to propel the boat or even scull the stern round in a tack, but although having the rudder part up may make such illegal actions more effective, its not banned per se.

Think this has come up on rivers in light breeze and the protest cincluded that a raised rudder (hinged style) when moving was actually sculling so illegal. hard to prove but it certainly seems fairer. lifting the blade to free weed and then return to full down is acceptable.

personally on the river racing we do i had a chat with the laser sailors lifting rudders so they could get to within 2ft of the bank. Tricky as if your class is a down class and some are 'cheating' then it is irritating.
A bit like seeing people standing on the  shore with 30 secs to the gun.  LOL


Edited by fudheid - 22 Apr 21 at 12:44pm
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"That;s new since my ILCA/Laser days then.....

Jeffers, not sure when your Laser days started, but the 1.5m rule was brought into the Laser Rules in 1985 as part of a major re-write. It's been in the Class Rules ever since, though to confuse the unwary it was moved from Rule 7(b) to Rule 15 in 2008. On me 1.5m is about shoulder-height.


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Rudder and daggerboard, once you are planning at speed then you don’t need that much lateral resistance and it helps stop the boat tripping up and becomes easier to control.

Originally posted by KazRob

I'm sure I have heard of the Aussie Musto Skiffs regularly sailing with dagger style rudders half up in some conditions
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Often tempted to protest Lasers in handicap racing when my rudder is up too as we weed dodge. Peace, harmony and a sense of fair play means I never have. I just put on my swept back Firefly rudder and watch the weed fall off.
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I thought Laser/ILCA rudders were always half up.

I wouldn't fancy trying to race one with the rudder any further up than it already is.
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