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maxibuddah 
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Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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 Topic: Rules and ruddersPosted: 21 Apr 21 at 11:26am |
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Most people I see with rudders up is because they haven’t noticed or because they don’t actually know they should be fully down.
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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andy h
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Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 12:29pm |
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I'd love to see a protest in the ILCAs where someone contends that the water was actually 1.6m deep during the raised rudder racing.
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Europe AUS53 & FF 3615
National 12 3344, Europe 397 and Mirror 53962 all gone with regret |
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seasailor
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Joined: 07 Feb 12 Location: Hove Online Status: Offline Posts: 30 |
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Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 2:56pm |
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I thought Laser/ILCA rudders were always half up.
I wouldn't fancy trying to race one with the rudder any further up than it already is.
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Rupert
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Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 5:16pm |
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Often tempted to protest Lasers in handicap racing when my rudder is up too as we weed dodge. Peace, harmony and a sense of fair play means I never have. I just put on my swept back Firefly rudder and watch the weed fall off.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Neptune
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Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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Posted: 22 Apr 21 at 8:11am |
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Rudder and daggerboard, once you are planning at speed then you don’t need that much lateral resistance and it helps stop the boat tripping up and becomes easier to control.
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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor
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deadrock
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Joined: 24 Jun 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 85 |
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Posted: 22 Apr 21 at 11:38am |
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"That;s new since my ILCA/Laser days then.....
Jeffers, not sure when your Laser days started, but the 1.5m rule was brought into the Laser Rules in 1985 as part of a major re-write. It's been in the Class Rules ever since, though to confuse the unwary it was moved from Rule 7(b) to Rule 15 in 2008. On me 1.5m is about shoulder-height.
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fudheid
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Joined: 21 Apr 11 Location: 51.53 N 01.28 E Online Status: Offline Posts: 241 |
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Posted: 22 Apr 21 at 12:43pm |
Think this has come up on rivers in light breeze and the protest cincluded that a raised rudder (hinged style) when moving was actually sculling so illegal. hard to prove but it certainly seems fairer. lifting the blade to free weed and then return to full down is acceptable. personally on the river racing we do i had a chat with the laser sailors lifting rudders so they could get to within 2ft of the bank. Tricky as if your class is a down class and some are 'cheating' then it is irritating. A bit like seeing people standing on the shore with 30 secs to the gun.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 22 Apr 21 at 9:35pm |
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A bit like seeing people standing on the shore with 30 secs to the gun
Rule 45?
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Happily living in the past
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fudheid
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Posted: 23 Apr 21 at 9:55am |
yes really! another quiet chat moment with laser sailors...
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Cheers you
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Strangler
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Joined: 24 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 154 |
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Posted: 23 Apr 21 at 11:24am |
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A cheeky variation on this theme - Hornets reaching, cheating the current inshore going over a very shallow spit. Rudders up, board up. One helm jumps out of the boat running along side steering! Legal?
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