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    Posted: 31 Mar 21 at 5:47am
All I'm saying is tribalism or group identity to sound more cuddly has a corrosive side. 

Little or much we see it here quite often. There was a bloke who always signed off something like "the only real racing is Merlins or Solos" how often do we see "Losers" for Lasers? "PY racing is for noddy classes"

I've experienced it at my club where a quite classic racing class is popular, I sail a class of very similar spec but with much smaller numbers, "Ah, when you get a proper boat". I like what I like and simply get on but interestingly they are still very happy for me to OOD / RO when we host their travellers.  
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

 


Yes. 

The main obstacle in overcoming this problem is that most sailors don't or won't understand the notion that other peoples perceptions are totally different to theirs. They don't understand why anyone would have a different perspective.

Several years ago I asked my wife "why aren't there more women in politics?" she replied "because we have better and more important things to do". Needless to say I now understand her perspective a little better.


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In some agreement with iGRF on this.
Understanding something is nothing like justifying something but it is a step towards countering.
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Originally posted by Chris_H


Yes, I have some views. Perhaps the irony regarding the tone of your post eludes you. Your post highlights the very reason why the RYA are doing what they are doing. 


 exactly, although it seems some people want their particular  sport /. hobby/ pastime to remain solely for 'people like them ' ( Pale , Male, Stale )  

first  two of those characteristics they can;t do much about , but  the staleness is  100 % a choice 
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad



Sounds remarkably like a rationalisation to justify racism. It is entirely possible to have a group identity without being scared of other groups just because they are other......ah well.


It's entirely a rationalisation, not to justify, but to accept 'racism' as another term to describe human group interaction. A group identity doesn't necessarily have to be scared per se, but when they start to consider their superiority over others, then the probems start.

Catholics over Protestants, Sunni v Shia Muslims, West Ham suporters v Millwall, PYAG group v any group that isn't Laser..
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

Originally posted by iGRF

 

No, but it's totally true, the latest over use of the racist term these days, racist is just another word to describe Human Tribalism, Group identities breed problems, Nations, Races, Religions, Gangs, Football Supporters, it will ever be so, until we start to fully understand how close to animals we still remain and how much further we have yet to evolve if we ever want a truly peaceful co existence.


Sounds remarkably like a rationalisation to justify racism. It is entirely possible to have a group identity without being scared of other groups just because they are other.

.....ah well.

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Originally posted by iGRF

 

No, but it's totally true, the latest over use of the racist term these days, racist is just another word to describe Human Tribalism, Group identities breed problems, Nations, Races, Religions, Gangs, Football Supporters, it will ever be so, until we start to fully understand how close to animals we still remain and how much further we have yet to evolve if we ever want a truly peaceful co existence.


Sounds remarkably like a rationalisation to justify racism. It is entirely possible to have a group identity without being scared of other groups just because they are other.

.....ah well.
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Originally posted by iGRF

[QUOTE=Do Different] maybe we should have considered encouraging more ethnic riders, oh wait, we had loads, we just didn't notice.

I think that pretty sums up my club, I wouldn't say we have ever had loads of non-white members but we certainly have never "noticed" those web have had. This is why I found the so called "diversity" days so patronising.


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Originally posted by Do Different

[---]I wasn't saying tribalism is a good thing,]


No, but it's totally true, the latest over use of the racist term these days, racist is just another word to describe Human Tribalism, Group identities breed problems, Nations, Races, Religions, Gangs, Football Supporters, it will ever be so, until we start to fully understand how close to animals we still remain and how much further we have yet to evolve if we ever want a truly peaceful co existence.

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Peaky’ s comment about this thread is totally correct  Unhappy

Edited by Grumpycat - 29 Mar 21 at 6:29pm
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