Detuning a Penultimate International 14?

Apparently the Boss was not as much overweight as one might have expected looking at it but it wasn't;t a 49er style lightweight and Topper did have a rep for quoting hull weights totally stripped bare. FWIW my Spice claims 85kg but a well connected insider told me that that was, in reality, the weight of a bare hull with no fittings, space frames or anything else and people don't refer to the L5k as the 5 tonner without reason either.

Bear in mind that while the L2k is probably the ideal boat for your circumstances it does weigh 140kg hull with fittings so probably nearer 165-170 ready to sail.

I can email the .xls if you like (pm you email address)?

To summerise :-

100 -180 kg crew weight range, 

Trapeze and double bottom but doesn't need weight forward of shrouds in the light, 

Light weight on shore, 

Cheap... 

IMO the first two requirements are impossible to fully reconcile, a boat that works well with 100kg on board is not going to work well with 180 kg on board and a double bottom trapeze boat  is almost certainly going to be vaguely skiffy and will need weigh well forward to stop it dragging the transom in the light. The L2k is one of very few boats that might do it but falls down on weight ashore and price.

That said, compromise doesn't have to be such a bad thing, I have had loads of fun sailing the Spice, often at the very top end of the weight range and also singlehanded in sub 8 kn, it's a huge compromise but has still be a joy over the last 12 years.

Does a Buzz carry weight better than an ISO? I always thought Buzz/Spice are more for lightweight teams and ISO/Boss for heavy teams, but maybe I am wrong here?

Thank you for providing the Excel! I got an error message for the dropbox link, I need to try again with a different PC.

Originally posted by Old bloke Not double floored, but a 505 ticks all your other boxes

A 505 would be really nice for the sailing itself and I am pretty confident I could handle it with one of the childs most of the time. I would even consider it as "relatively stable". But SWMBO would not accept the single floor, the "look" and  weight would be right on the edge.

Originally posted by Rupert Topper Boss with a cut down rig.

Now we start talking 

There is actually one for sale right now in Germany, but it looks like the asking price is based rather on the money recently spend dacron(!) sails than on age and the absence of any class racing in Germany.

Originally posted by Rupert ISO probably makes more "sense", though, as much as any of this does! Genuine sense would suggest a Sport 14 or similar, but not very exciting compared to a 14. Sense is overrated...

Exactly 

It would be way more sensible to sell the other dinghy and spend the money on a 2000, Vision, or even a Quest. My daughter actually wants me to buy a Quest....

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons True but the OP is not (unless I'm missing something) considering a Boss, L5k or a 14 with the standard rig  but something considerably de-tuned in comparison hence the suggestions for Buzz or L2/3k

"Considerably de-tuned" is exactly the idea. SWMBO and I would certainly try out the original configuration  first just for giggles, but the goal is to sail with one of the kids or a friend.

(And not only the friends who are used to helm from the wire ...)