Pointless PY Pondering

   The PY as it stands is really a bit of a farce and doesn't bear any relationship to a boats actual speed through the water, it's a mix of results based on the volume and skill level of users, manipulated as far as I can tell by a committee of, with the best will in the world toward them, agenda driven folk primarily interested in protecting certain classes, being either deliberately mainpulated themselves into favouring others, and hampering new boats wishing to enter the 'fray' with punitive rating or they are just plain stupid. All under the guise of using returns from mainly inland clubs which in itself sways the results towards that end. (Has the Laser really gotten so much slower in the last five years with it's new equipment, sails, masts and XD system or are there a couple of the Laserati on said committee)

It is a very bad system, they are either completely incompetent or under restrictions placed upon them by our oppressive Governing body and we suffer as a result. Short of starting a new system under a body wishing to actually promote racing under a fairer more scientific system which will still be wrong in v arious wetaher conditions, I despair for us all.

Finally and the worse, we don't even know who these people are, other than a sneaking suspicion they're RS Employees according to the favorable Aero handicap.    

Edited by iGRF - 18 Nov 20 at 8:37pm

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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Pointless PY Pondering Posted: 18 Nov 20 at 8:31pm
	The PY as it stands is really a bit of a farce and doesn't bear any relationship to a boats actual speed through the water, it's a mix of results based on the volume and skill level of users, manipulated as far as I can tell by a committee of, with the best will in the world toward them, agenda driven folk primarily interested in protecting certain classes, being either deliberately mainpulated themselves into favouring others, and hampering new boats wishing to enter the 'fray' with punitive rating or they are just plain stupid. All under the guise of using returns from mainly inland clubs which in itself sways the results towards that end. (Has the Laser really gotten so much slower in the last five years with it's new equipment, sails, masts and XD system or are there a couple of the Laserati on said committee) It is a very bad system, they are either completely incompetent or under restrictions placed upon them by our oppressive Governing body and we suffer as a result. Short of starting a new system under a body wishing to actually promote racing under a fairer more scientific system which will still be wrong in v arious wetaher conditions, I despair for us all. Finally and the worse, we don't even know who these people are, other than a sneaking suspicion they're RS Employees according to the favorable Aero handicap. Edited by iGRF - 18 Nov 20 at 8:37pm
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Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Nov 20 at 8:09pm
	In sub planing conditions the biggest single factor is waterline length, as more racing probably takes place in sub planing conditions it has a disproportionate effect on the PN. This is reflected in what has been dubbed "The Fuller Number" somewhere in this thread https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13443&KW=fuller&PN=1&title=so-just-how-important-is-a-boats-py-yardstick
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epicfail Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 01 Dec 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 61	Post Options Post Reply Quote epicfail Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Nov 20 at 7:38pm
	Yes I know its all based on race returns but are there obvious boat design issues that might account for the differences. Is it primarily down to weight and length? The Streaker has less sail area than the Europe and Lightning but is longer. Does this partly explain it's quicker PY. It's also quicker than a Solo despite the Solo having more sail - but I guess the Solo is a bit of a lardy. Perhaps all Streaker racers really good? The Lightning is longer than the Europe has the same sail area but the hull is 9kg heavier, Is that enough to explain the slower PY than the Europe? Or perhaps I'm a fool to ask?