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    Posted: 10 Nov 20 at 12:03pm
Sounds interesting. Just one  question , if you going the open mast / sail / centreboard route, which I think is a good idea. Are you going to put some limits on the mast / sail sizes . Or are you going to allow the idea of having multiple mast / sail combinations to match the weather conditions? 
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Well it's what we do in windsurf racing and seems to be catching on a bit in dinghy world of late what with the Aero 5, 7, 9 but generally one size tends to claim the numbers..

My thinking was more toward weight, size and application, if maximum mast height and boom length define the 'types' the smaller sizes aimed at hiking application and the larger aimed at trapeze use, assuming of course the boat works OK with a trapeze and I suspect it's going to be a little tricky, it's a boat that is quick to heel and I'm wondering how that's going to effect getting back in off the wire in a lull.

Then there's the centreboard, at the moment it's probably too big for a) me, b)our water, so logic suggests if you were speccing say an 8 mtr ish hiker for smaller inland water you wouldn't need this big plate, but on the sea with a bigger sail it would work fine with a 9.5 upwards.(providing it's got some form of half decent mast that lets it twist off properly.)

Anyway it's a way off yet, I need to get some sensibly priced carbon masts & booms from somewhere.

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Bit of an update, fitted what we windsurfers call an RDM (reduced diameter mast), got it off one of our Contender hotshots who having bought it recently had a couple of windy races and thought it too soft, much to my good luck it's the same height and rough dimensions as the tin pole that came with the boat, went to try it today, but forgot I was on race duty so didn't get to try it, the wind was crap anyway the useless race officer set two crap courses. It's made by Superspars, probably for Hartley, still stupid money even 2nd hand, but as a concept if it works could be purchased much cheaper as extruded carbon and a track added.

The sail sets well on it, it bends off in all the right places, has trap fittings ready to rock so I might finally get to trapeze off it.

So far I've had good results with the boat as it was in the light stuff, but once the buggers in their Contenders get even one foot into their traps and they can foot off, they're gone. Now I don't expect to beat them but it's a bit embarrassing just how quick they leave the party upwind. So if you can't beat them, nick their rig..

Will update a bit more when I finally get to get out on a wire, as a straight sit out boat, this is a jewel, can't fault it. Maybe on a production boat I'd makes those wings longer, further forward, and made of carbon, oh and somewhere to sit on a run maybe.
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Sounds fun! Got any photos?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 21 at 3:24pm
I'll try and get some pics next time I'm out. I've had that many issues with stuff I've tried and scewed up (bottle screws for starters) in my efforts to get a rig that rakes with not too much trouble, I'm back to chain plates and Sta-masters on the lowers. The lowers are now a bit more important as the masts bends a bit more easily.
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Well what a night I had last night, after managing hurriedly to attach trap wires arriving at the start thinking it was the five minute gun when it was the one minute. Lovely warm sunny windyish (wind drops the moment the gun fires as is normal, so a patchy 2 - 4, but enough to get on the wire and see how she goes.

Which was well, having to catch up after completely missing the start due to watch error. and arriving at the first mark about half way back in the pack which contained Contenders, Tasars and Lasers and an Aero 7, then it all went pear shaped on the bear off, which took longer than it should have due to the rudder blade raked and in need of pulling vertical, all attempted to be done from the wire, which ended up with the inevitable front rounding and capsize on the bear off.

The boat wasn't that easy to right, slippery plate, high sides, it needs righting lines as I think someone pointed out way back. So by the time we were back under way the fleet was at the first gybe, then having rounded up, back on the wire and engaged once more on the catch up into the normal short chop with the boat bucking and crashing, after a few hundred yards and a particularly steep wave, crash down we came and with it the mast and me back in the soup, snapped forestay, I haven't bothered to find out exactly which bit failed will do it a bit later this must be the third de masting of a trapeze boat with me out there, doesn't inspire confidence or enthusiasm for much more of it...

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Get a K1, have a comfortable sail round.

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Originally posted by 423zero

Get a K1, have a comfortable sail round.


Not quite ready for the sailing equivalent of a mobility scooter just yet, maybe when I'm 80...

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Hansa 303 maybe . Rupert can give you some race training too .  LOL

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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Hansa 303 maybe . Rupert can give you some race training too .  LOL


Don't knock them! Mind in a short chop, they do ship a lot of water!
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