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    Posted: 19 Jul 20 at 4:36pm
Worth looking at Heron as well as Gull. I've seen more fibre glass ones than Gulls. The modern FRP has a false bottom so brings up very little water.

I'd be tempted to look at replacing the kicker with a strut (out of class)

If capsize recover is a concern look at mast head floatation choices. If it's genuinely going to be very rare... secumar do a CO2 version which is pricey and obviously costs if you deploy it. Various other versions exist or just a empty bottle.

And if climbing back in is a concern work on a plan with a looped rope.



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Thank you for all your answers we have decided to keep looking out for a Gull. For the short term in the summer we will probably use a club Wayfarer possibly with Firefly sails or reefed. Also I am going to take a club Hartley 12 out on my own to see how that might be. One of the Hartley 12s was turtled within 5 minutes of launching yesterday, fortunately he drifted onto the reeds after 20 minutes of trying to get back in it (he didn’t have a wetsuit on) so I will test it a lot before risking my daughter in it. 
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The trouble with Enterprises is that the older glass ones tend to have more leaks than a Welsh allotment, and the wood ones with buoyancy bags are a nightmare capsized. The modern foram/glass ones don't look to have exactly generous tank provision either, but I've never seen one capsized.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Enterprise would probably do it, cheap as chips leaving enough money for a few mods, I have seen 6 footers crewing them, boom will slide up mast with a smaller sail.


Lighter to pull ashore, too, with the trade off of less stability.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 20 at 6:27am
Enterprise would probably do it, cheap as chips leaving enough money for a few mods, I have seen 6 footers crewing them, boom will slide up mast with a smaller sail.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 8:03pm
A left field option might be a Snipe. Fairly rare in the UK, they do feature a notably high boom. But a significant drawback is they are a largish old school boat and pretty damn heavy.

An option for you, if racing is not a key aim, would be to get several inches cut off the bottom of the sail of an otherwise suitable boat, and have the gooseneck moved up the mast to match, creating a higher boom. It would depend, unfortunately, on the fine detail of the mast construction whether this was a fairly simple operation or so complicated as to be impractical.

Just went looking through Apollo Duck for inspiration, and its surprisingly hard to pick out a boat that would fit the bill.

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My daughter did level 1 in a Wayfarer, she is over 5ft 10, has a scoliosis and low muscle tone so not an ideal combination. I think if she was shorter an Enterprise would be great, she has inherited my height so we are not the most compact of crews 😂
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I taught my kids to sail in an Ent with Firefly sails (blagged off a Firefly sailor mate). Depending what your daughter did her level 1 an Ent may or may not be too tippy* for her but it should be easy enough to get a trial sail in one. 

* I wouldn't have expected it to be tippier than a Gull or Grad


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Post Options Post Options   Quote SueW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:27pm
Interesting about the Wanderer and a steel centre board but probably too heavy. The new Hartley Wanderers look great but too expensive for me. It’s a shame the older ones are so difficult to right and then empty out the water or I would go for one as there are some up for sail unlike the Gulls. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SueW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:23pm
Thank you our club already uses Wayfarers with Firefly sails for training in strong winds but I hadn’t thought of that for my daughter and I in normal wind. If only Wayfarers weren’t so heavy. 
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