Gull, Graduate, Wanderer or Enterprise

   Only ever seen one wanderer, looked a decent boat, you could probably get any centre board 'laser' cut by a local engineers, would put it out of class, but if you aren't racing it doesn't matter. 

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423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Gull, Graduate, Wanderer or Enterprise Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 11:59am
	Only ever seen one wanderer, looked a decent boat, you could probably get any centre board 'laser' cut by a local engineers, would put it out of class, but if you aren't racing it doesn't matter.
	Robert

Do Different Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312	Post Options Post Reply Quote Do Different Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 10:47am
	Just to throw in about a Wanderer. I was only talking to somebody on Sunday who had bought one for single handed touring. It had a steel centre board, I never knew they had that option but it appears they do. Looked ideal for his purpose and well setup with a multi sheave block to raise and a hold down cleat to prevent it falling back into the boat in the extremely unlikely event of capsize & inversion. The main also had a pocket at the top to hold a discrete mast head inflatable bladder. Admittedly it would be a heavyish setup but dependant on your launch and recovery sites may or may not be a problem. The bloke was properly experienced with a range of boats, some quite lively and his initial feelings about this latest purchase were very positive.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 10:46am
	Either Gull or Wanderer, I'd say. At our Sailability group we use a Wayfarer where we have used a smaller sail (still pulled to the top) and raise the boom by about a foot. It gives plenty of headroom and still leaves plenty of sail area. One Wanderer this would also work, and a quick experiment with borrowed sails would show what would be the right size. I'd start with a Fìrefly sail and go from there till one looks right. The Gull might end up with too little sail to do this maybe?
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SueW Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 13 Jul 20 Location: Oxford Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote SueW Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 9:22am
	Thank you for answers at least I can rule out an Enterprise. I have been looking for a Miracle too but again barely any for sale and I am looking for a GRP boat if possible.

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 8:44am
	I think you might find the Ent too tippy and the Graduate, whilst nice to sail, is pretty cramped for the crew. The Gull would be a fine choice I think, or a Miracle (nice seats) or a Laser 2000 (very stable and roomy but difficult to right if capsized). I’m sure the Hartley ones are well made, and it’s quite a niche boat, so no reason it shouldn’t hold value.

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 6:10am
	Enterprise difficult to empty after a capsize, your race is pretty much over. Graduate deep cockpit, never capsized one though. GP very stable but they are heavy. Quest is a good boat, but again heavy.
	Robert

SueW Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 13 Jul 20 Location: Oxford Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote SueW Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:48am
	Hi, I am looking for a boat for myself and my daughter to sail together. My daughter has special needs and has limited flexibility in her spine as well as being tall (5ft 10 & still growing) So gett under the boom is a challenge. Despite a mild learning disability she passed the RYA stage 1 last year and is keen to continue. Our favourite choice is a Gull as it has seats (daughter needs some back support), stable and could be rowed. We know less about the Graduate but wondered how that compares to the gull stability wise? Another choice might be a Wanderer but they are heavy and having seen one capsized last year, that part isn’t fun although the Hartley boats claim to have cured that. Also an Enterprise seems a possibility although it might be too tippy. I accept we might capsize at some point but as daughter doesn’t swim well (can keep afloat in Buoyancy aid) it is an outsider as a choice. If I went crazy and bought a newish a Gull do you think they retain their value reasonably? Sorry for the long one and to mention I normally sail a Lightning 368.