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Oinks 
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 Topic: Demise of the Laser 4000Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 9:53pm |
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Good clarification Mozzy. Ta!
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Mozzy
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 9:39pm |
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Er, it's only banned at events where it says so in SIs. So, you can fill your boots in any other club event, SailJuice etc... except people still don't. If it was really faster, or fast enough to be worth the hassle, then you would still see it being used.
I've heard that it was stopped because few people used it, the gains were marginal and often over ridden by the faff. Basically, people didn't want to have to carry a pole and all the extra rigging for that one race of an event where it would be useful. And when it was useful, it wasn't deemed by the majority to be 'better' racing. Simply booming out an asymmetric doesn't make it perform like a similar sized symmetric, though, so I don't find it surprising that the gain was marginal at best and the experience frustrating. Edited by Mozzy - 08 Jul 20 at 9:42pm |
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Oinks
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 9:28pm |
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Hi Cirrus...well , yes I've never owned one but I did have the opportunity to sail 200s on more than a few occasions back in the early 2000 and somethings when the goosewing thing was an option. That was where we tried it and as I said, ok in light stuff not so good otherwise as far as me and a few others were concerned. I couldn't say whether or not it was banned because it was too fast. Presumably that was a decision taken by the members of the CA. From my recollection it was mostly because most buyers didn't want it. They bought an asymmetric spinnaker dinghy and bought into that concept. Lets say the 200 class hasn't suffered for that change. But I would ask, how long did you own a 200 for?
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 8:26pm |
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I loved SRS on the 200.
Had a fun afternoon at Minorca Sailing in 2012 proving it was faster to goosewing a Vareo downwind over a short course than to sail the angles in a 100. Plenty of breeze too. It was a somewhat buttock clenching experience though! |
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Cirrus
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 7:33pm |
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....So I don't see the logic in then wanting to choose to sail downwind goosewinged. Guess you never owned an early 200 then...... It was launched with that capability in mind but quickly banned for a reason ... er something to do with being too fast from memory but some of us at the time thought it should have been retained as a tactical choice for any real racing crew - ie when to do it and when to sail 'asymetrically' offwind. ;-) Edited by Cirrus - 08 Jul 20 at 7:35pm |
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Oinks
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 5:07pm |
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Cirrus...
Exactly. And there are many 'asymetrics' that still don't really cut it. Give the crews a ('permitted') option to goosewing the wretched sail and in many conditons and locations that is exactly what they would choose to do ... |
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Noah
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 3:36pm |
FTFY Note to self - stop it - you'll end up like a certain Kentishman
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Nick
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fab100
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 3:30pm |
oo-er Missus, now you tell us what the V-twin was really for
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Noah
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 3:29pm |
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But the beauty of a pole kite - in my eyes as a devotee of the venerable furball - is that the skilled amongst us can keep a pole kite pulling through a gybe. It is something I aspire to and rarely achieve. A sprit kite cannot do that. Arguably any eejit can set, trim and gybe an assy. Either trim to the course steered or steer to the kite set. (If I've got that wrong I will unreservedly apologise.) The additional skills and teamwork needed for a pole kite are part of the attraction.
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Nick
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iGRF
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Posted: 08 Jul 20 at 3:11pm |
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Returning to the Alto earlier discussion, I really enjoyed that period of my sailing, not many other boats you can take a raw beginner out and get him/her to the front of the fleet. It hasn't completely failed, it's still out there, people buying and selling them, doing quite well on round island events etc despite having a good PYAG caning early on. (If you want to stop new boats failing this anachronism has to go, along with its class riven prejudices).
It's not perfect, they never seemed to have gotten the kite delivery system perfect and it's still a none wash through self baler, but as a fast man wife, light heavyweight, combo it certainly rivals the RS400, I'd buy another if a potential crew ever came onto my horizon. I'd love to have been able to race it along with others to test the efficiency of the swinging pole and soaking low as against high and fast. At best it was a get out of jail card for the last bit of a long reach sailed perhaps too high and without wanting to go for another gybe. I'm trying to wrestle the swinging system off my old V2 and give it a go on the Farr, reckon it would be excellent. Edited by iGRF - 08 Jul 20 at 3:12pm |
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