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    Posted: 04 Jul 20 at 7:19pm
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Originally posted by Paramedic

The 300 simply isn't a boat you can sail/race properly in a range of conditions and venues, which its probably why it never really took off either.

Disagree, it’s just needs to be sailed properly and shows up poor technique... 

Like I said in my previous post, one (wo)man's un-sailable beast or boring old slug is another (wo)man's great boat.
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Disagree, it’s just needs to be sailed properly and shows up poor technique... 

Maybe the case. I wouldn't fancy sailing one around Mounts Bay in a force 5 SW though.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

The 300 simply isn't a boat you can sail/race properly in a range of conditions and venues, which its probably why it never really took off either.

Disagree, it’s just needs to be sailed properly and shows up poor technique... 
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It had lots of potential, but the 300 did most things better.

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Including tipping you in ;)


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Originally posted by pondlife1736

No, the EPS was epoxy/foam, at least mine was. Light too, at least until you bolted the wings on!
The wing attachments were always a weak point, and with the benefit of hindsight I suppose fixed racks would have been lighter, cheaper and better. Clever carbon rig setup too which is effectively unstayed but allowed rake to be adjusted. Yes the sail appeared to be less than optimum, it wouldn't point very well and it was b***dy uncomfortable downwind, but should have been the makings of a good boat imo.


The one I owned briefly was definitely polyester :) They do have foam in them, but lots of CSM.

It had lots of potential, but the 300 did most things better.

Neither really achieved popularity.


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No, the EPS was epoxy/foam, at least mine was. Light too, at least until you bolted the wings on!
The wing attachments were always a weak point, and with the benefit of hindsight I suppose fixed racks would have been lighter, cheaper and better. Clever carbon rig setup too which is effectively unstayed but allowed rake to be adjusted. Yes the sail appeared to be less than optimum, it wouldn't point very well and it was b***dy uncomfortable downwind, but should have been the makings of a good boat imo.
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It was designed to be a lot lighter, and built from carbon and epoxy.

LPE in their wisdom built it from polyester and CSM. And the rig wasn't brilliant either. Its no wonder its a dog compared to the 300 :)

Out of the two I know which I'd rather sail on the sea in any kind of wind. The 300 simply isn't a boat you can sail/race properly in a range of conditions and venues, which its probably why it never really took off either.


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A better example of this is the Laser EPS vs the RS 300. The EPS is arguably a better - certainly a more versatile - boat, but the 300 was made properly and out of the materials it was designed to be made from.

I’ve never sailed an eps... but really?  The 300 is a spectacular race boat.

Have to agree - the EPS was an absolute dog.
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Originally posted by Paramedic


A better example of this is the Laser EPS vs the RS 300. The EPS is arguably a better - certainly a more versatile - boat, but the 300 was made properly and out of the materials it was designed to be made from.

I’ve never sailed an eps... but really?  The 300 is a spectacular race boat.
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Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

PS I'm not Laser bashing, I am genuinely curious how one of the big 3 can fail to exploit an obvious section of the market.

Only one of the big three nailed it is the answer :)

Topper and Laser flooded market with designs that had potential but were immature and designed to built far lighter and with better/more expensive materials than were actually used.

RS kept their powder dry until they were ready.

A better example of this is the Laser EPS vs the RS 300. The EPS is arguably a better - certainly a more versatile - boat, but the 300 was made properly and out of the materials it was designed to be made from.


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