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Mark Aged 42 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 98 |
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Seriously - that is incredible, what on earth was Laser thinking when they approved the design???
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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It's called evolution. The Iso came out in '93, the L4k in '95 and the 29er on '97. Each was able to learn from the development of the previous. It's far from surprising the 29er is the best of the bunch as once ISO set the bar, L4k and later 29er were in position to raise it. But, where the ISO and L4k are pretty much direct competitors the 29er is clearly aimed at lighter crews, it's shorter, lighter, narrower at the waterline and has about 22% less sail area.
Back to the ISO/L4k, whether they were great boats or not is a matter of opinion I guess but both were pretty successful for a while until people learned from their mistakes and more modern 'skiffs' emerged. WRT weight, an I14 has a min hull weight of 72kg so the L4k and ISO at 80kg and 85kg cannot be considered massively overweight in comparison considering their 'standard' construction without exotics.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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No thats way out, 5 tonner hull weighs 109kg, 58kg lighter than a Waybarge at 167kg. It's still a heavy old beast though when the Boss was 85kg and the 49er a remarkable, for the time, 62kg (how was that weighed? Did they do the usual wool pulling exercise and weigh without fittings, foils and racks?)
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Gordon 1430 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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I believe the prototype Olympic 5000 as it was called was much lighter, but it got the Laser treatment. The rig was also so heavy and broke a lot in the early days. |
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Mozzy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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62 kilo 49er must bare hull without wings. But I've nver heard 62 kilo with a 49er.
I can't remember exactly but the weight at events was around 90 or 100. That was with racks and spinnaker pole and all the screwed in fittings. 29er was 72kg with the same stuff on as above (no wings of course). Now, what is supposed to be 62 kilo is the 800. But that's completely bare with no racks. That's never weighed though, unlike the 9er class rule weights, so that number is down to RS quality control. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I did wonder, the figure comes from the Noble Dinghy Database so somebody must have claimed it at some point. The Int 49er page lists hull weights as weighed at events and, as you say, they nearly all fall between 91 and 96 kg which sounds much more reasonable.
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At the ISAF trials in 1996 the measured all up weights on the club scales were:
49er 132kg Boss 157kg 5000 192kg (42kg more than the claimed figure!) With weight equalisation the 5tonner could have another 35kg of lead... Edited by JimC - 03 Jul 20 at 11:59am |
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I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the Iso and 4tonner had even the slightest influence on the 29er design is right off the park. Its a straightforward logical development of what Farr, Bethwaite, Murray et al had been doing in antipodean classes. The other two had a bad attack of Hambleitis, and thought the i14s, who had gone down a complete rule led blind alley in development, were a good model to work with. What's ironic though is that the 14 blind alley was also their most popular period in the UK, so go figure... |
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Not according to Wikipedia it doesn't, and i'd believe that over anything Laser tell you :)
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Not such a blind alley, then, Jim? If you take the whole package and whether it does what a sailor wants, then design philosophy and the last nth of speed is pretty unimportant.
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