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    Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 1:04pm
Mozzy, great to hear from you, glad you are back, we need your videos to keep us sane
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 12:40pm
There isn't any policy or law from Government that prohibits sailing (or kayak, SUP, canoe, windsurf, kitesurf, surf). It clearly is exercise. If it's local, then I'd say it's reasonable. All this 'essential exercise' interpretation, or 'essential shopping' has never been the case. It's just people confusing terms. The government guidance for exercising has been clear: Stay local, exercise alone or with members of your own family and stay 2 metres away from those outside your household. 




"Some public statements made soon after the adoption of the Regulations suggested that members of the public could only leave their homes if ‘essential’ to do so. However, this is not the test set out in the Regulations and there is no legal basis for a requirement in those terms to be imposed. The applicable threshold is that of ‘reasonable excuse’"


It's understandable that there is some confusion, however, and until everyone get's their heads around it I can see why harbour authorities took a precautionary approach. 


I think harbours and coastguard should take a lead from park authorities. Sure, tell people not to travel unnecessarily from out of the area (in line with government guidance) but don't stop people from exercising if they are local. 


For many the coast is their 'local open space'. As long as they practice social distancing then I see nothing wrong with utilising this resource. Staying healthy, mentally and physically becomes even more important the longer this lock down continues. 


What about taking up resource of first respondents? People don't disappear when not afloat. Instead they cycle and fall, or stay sedentary and get unhealthy. Or take to drink and drugs. Or suffer from mental health issues. I think it's a bit naive of the coastguard and harbour masters to believe that just because they are not dealing with these people that they cease to be a require emergency help. The whole point of allowing exercise it to limit strain, and there is some accepted risk that some get injured whilst exercising, but on the whole it will be beneficial. 


Of course, being cynical, it is less work for the coastguard / harbour masters. Some of which may just see recreational boating as 'hassle' at the best of times. I hope they can do more to keep the coast open and manage it within guidelines. They should share their part of burden for keeping these people safe alongside the ambulance crews who are still picking up cyclists, or drug overdoses.


In my mind, the biggest obstacle is the court of public opinion. The internet lynch mob is out for those having fun. If you're enjoying your exercise, even in perfect isolation, then it isn't essential, and if it isn't essential, then it isn't legal. And you shall be hanged! 


(of course some lakes need safety cover for insurance / tenancy, and they can't compel members to travel to provide this service, so may have to remain closed)


Edited by Mozzy - 21 Apr 20 at 12:48pm
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Someone went out on the estuary here a couple of weeks back, just after the harbour master had banned recreational water use, and got themselves stuck on a sand bank. A passerby called the RNLI, who responded, along with the police, so lots of emergency services time used up, along with almost inevitably some inadequate social distancing.

It certainly offered a very timely illustration of why the policy was a good one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 11:08am
The clarity is in the laws and the official guidance. The lack of clarity comes with idiot ministers making off the cuff comments in the daily press conferences .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 9:43am
The major problem we have is a lack of clarity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus

Regarding social distancing and visiting friends and relatives.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-police-guidelines-on-reasonable-excuses-for-leaving-home-including-cooling-off-after-a-row-11974322

Some police forces are saying essential shopping only.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-police-essential-items-shops-supermarket-stock-lockdown-a9459346.html

Whole thing open to envelope stretching unfortunately, I went to my local Fruiterers Sunday morning, he had loads of plants for sale as normal, I took advantage of this, my plant pots are now full, have I been stretching the envelope ? Fruiterer said he was allowed to buy and sell plants.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote GybeFunny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 9:34am
Originally posted by Do Different

I've been puzzled as to the focus on driving, when in a car you are self contained to a large extent. 

Alright accidents put extra strain on services but really, not as traffic is heavy at the moment anyway. 

I know it's a collective thing and we're should all be sharing the pain but when you look at some of the logic it is a bit sketchy to my mind.


I believe its for a number of reasons...

If you had an accident you may require someone to get nearer than 2m to help you.

If your car broke down you may require the RAC man to get nearer than 2m to you, you may also be delaying that RAC man from getting to the key worker on their way to work he has to assist next.

I work for a big insurer with its own network of accident repairers and they have struggled to get certain parts due to suppliers shutting down, if you crashed your car and required the last radiator to get you up and running you may deprive a nurse of that part a few days later so he/she couldnt get to work.

Personally I am not a good driver so cannot guarantee I wont crash and I drive a 10 year old car so cannot guarantee it wont break down so my car is staying on my driveway but everyone is free to make their own decisions....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 7:22am
Its the risk of accidents if the journey is unnecessary, using garages, etc

Fair enough really ?

With the amazing weather and wind we've had recently not being able to sail is awful but when we look at the bigger picture its only a few months and, its just a pasttime (for most of us).

Not being able to work is a far far bigger issue
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 7:17am
It's all about 'solidarity'.... anyone would have thought Jeremy Corbyn won the General Election, (as well as the argument)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 7:12am
I've been puzzled as to the focus on driving, when in a car you are self contained to a large extent. 

Alright accidents put extra strain on services but really, not as traffic is heavy at the moment anyway. 

I know it's a collective thing and we're should all be sharing the pain but when you look at some of the logic it is a bit sketchy to my mind.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 6:57am
Originally posted by Riv

Some fishermen out, elderly couple self isolating on their Canoe in the middle of the river. Some people visiting their boats. No one actually sailing that I've seen. As long as you are not in danger of transmitting the virus to others and take little risk then ok. 



The main issue people would have with any of these activities would be how those people actually got to the river i.e. driving there would be a no no

If you are allowed out cycling (which we are) you are probably far more likely to have a fall (and need help) than from kayaking, fishing or boat bumbling
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