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    Posted: 21 Feb 20 at 7:02pm
And of course because its Laser related, you will have to buy the special Laser chain if you wish to measure a furlong properly
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Originally posted by The Moo

Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by boatshed

Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.

Although I admit I do have trouble fathoming the chain of litigation...


And a lovely mix of sea and land! A chain must be 3 2/3 fathoms, if memory serves me right?


and 10 chains in a furlong?
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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by boatshed

Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.

Although I admit I do have trouble fathoming the chain of litigation...


And a lovely mix of sea and land! A chain must be 3 2/3 fathoms, if memory serves me right?


and 10 chains in a furlong?
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Having had years of fun sailing Bruce Kirby's great little boat both racing and as a beach boat I'm pleased that he's had his day in court, and if I've read it correctly has been awarded over $6m in damages. Which feels fairly emphatic.

However, I share JimC's view that I doubt if Bruce will ever see a penny of this as I'm sure that Mr  Rastergar will have played corporate hide the assets and that the respondent companies, LPE and QMI, have been pillaged. I'm not close enough to the Laser scene to have a view on how this will effect the class, but I hope it's a positive one. 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by boatshed

Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.

Although I admit I do have trouble fathoming the chain of litigation...


And a lovely mix of sea and land! A chain must be 3 2/3 fathoms, if memory serves me right?
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Originally posted by boatshed

Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.

Although I admit I do have trouble fathoming the chain of litigation...
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Originally posted by boatshed


Originally posted by JimC

legal proceedings inching its way millimetre by millimetre

Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.   Wink
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legal proceedings inching its way millimetre by millimetre


Excellent mangling of imperial and metric.   Wink
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Originally posted by Paramedic

How many people outside of the enthusiast group will know? 


For sure the vast majority of those involved in racing from club level upwards will be at least aware of this. The predominance of non genuine sails and kit in club and non class based open events suggest that a decent proportion of these people don't care about the origin of their stuff and just want to sail as cheaply as possible. Whether this will extend to the origin of the hull we will have to wait a number of years to find out as these people are unlikely to


I would argue that most private buyers of lasers/ILCA will know the difference because these people are doing opens/masters events/nationals etc. 
The problem could happen when none class legal boats come onto the second hand market after being sold on by sailing schools and holiday companies.

Knowing and remembering to check the correct plaque is in place when buying a laser second hand could become very important.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

...since LPE own the name "Laser" in relation to a small sailing dinghy and presumably own the tooling what can anyone do top stop them?

That's exactly why this case isn't important to us and the other one about contracts is. The contracts a Laser builder had to sign were intended to force any company that ceased being a Laser builder for any reason to sell all their tooling and give up all rights and capability to build Laser like boats.

LPE, BTW, barely exists now. Laser branded boats are built by a newish company under much the same ownership called Laser Performance LLC.
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