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ian.r.mcdonald 
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 Topic: Dodgy knee friendly single handersPosted: 24 Dec 19 at 2:14pm |
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My Osprey tin mast is still competitive inland against the carbon.
And not having to fret about varnishing against UV is good. But perhaps the option of carbon repair rather alloy replacement may keep some older boats away from insurance write off? |
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423zero
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Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 2:06pm |
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I have no difficulty stepping a Enterprise mast on my own, presumably a carbon mast wouldn't make much difference to me, other than capsize weight.
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zeon
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Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 1:35pm |
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It’s no where near as clear cut as that with the British moth . It’s much more important what hull you have rather than what rig you use .
Most of the pointy end of the fleet are using boat out of the claridge/JJ boats mould. Other designs have their strengths but at the moment this design seems to be the best all round design . Edited by zeon - 24 Dec 19 at 2:39pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 1:05pm |
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Blaze carbon mast is twice the price of the M7 so I agree that cost is a significant factor. WRT weight saving the carbon stick is 2.5 kg lighter than the M7 on the Blaze so a good bit more than a couple of pounds. It's a significant saving and very noticeable when you are stepping the mast as well as on the water. The performance advantage kicks in for lighter sailors in F4+ so well before it becomes survival conditions and is more marked on gusty inland waters.
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 24 Dec 19 at 1:05pm |
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zeon
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Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 12:28pm |
After talking to a long term streaker sailor and class committee member I believe there is quite a lot of opposition to the change to a tapered mast . Even though the choice is a tapered mast or no masts at all ! Sailors can be a strange lot lol Re changing to carbon masts, there is one very good reason for not changing and that is cost. I know from looking into it with my class a couple of years ago. A that time a aliminium m1 tapered mast was @800 while a superspars carbon mast was about twice that . That’s a lot of money to spend lose less than two pounds in weight and when the only proformance advantage only happens in extreme conditions when I wouldnt be sailing anyway . On the other hand I did buy a carbon boom at that time  The advantages of carbon on unstayed masts are undeniable. To my mind the advantages on stayed masts are less clear cut, especially if you factor in the extra cost. Edited by zeon - 24 Dec 19 at 12:33pm |
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tink
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Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 5:16am |
Byte CII - or for adults Mega Byte There is nothing wrong with the tin mast. Yes it doesn’t have gust response but not unmanageable with out. The tapered mast is undergoing tests and shows no discernible change. The tapered mast is off the VAURIEN which has numbers into 36,000s and very popular in Europe so easy to jump onto their volume. Constantly messing about with traditional one design boat just drives the market towards SMODs Edited by tink - 24 Dec 19 at 5:25am |
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iGRF
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Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 11:29pm |
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Why someboday hasn't standardised a mast and produced it in volume is so beyond me, the dinghy supply business is so pathetic and there is so much BS with claim and counter claim, all BS when you get down to the nitty gritty of their claims.
The class should just find a similar dimension boat, and nick their mast, then re cut the luff curve of the sail, it would have to be re-cut anyway, the whole point of carbon is the actual possibility of depower from the head and the excellent gust response from a tapered. Hell they should just rip that C2 rig from that little boat whose name escapes me, the junior international that get used everywhere else but here. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 10:03pm |
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Fair enough, the only reason not to use tapered is cost so if supply is difficult then costs will escalate. I still think it is a missed opportunity to embrace carbon.
Blaze introduced a carbon mast a few years ago, the manufacturer claimed it had identical characteristics to the M7 tin mast and would perform identically. I have both now and the same sail seems to work well on either supporting the claim that the bend curve is the same. But the carbon mast is narrower and much lighter (2kg lighter in fact). The downside of the carbon stick is that, while the M7 was sealed, the carbon mast is not with an internal halyard, holes for the rigging terminals and non-blind rivets (and has less volume to start with) on the other fittings meaning it sinks much more quickly in a capsize.
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tink
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Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 9:00pm |
The only boat to use that section parallel is the Streaker where as the tapered one is used in relatively big volumes in Europe so it is a supply issue. |
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Tink
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 8:49pm |
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Why bother going from a parallel tin mast to a tapered one? It will certainly make the boat more manageable in a blow but they'll all need new sails too as the curve will be different. Might as well go for a carbon stick straight away.
When I was considering a Streaker I found an article where the current or recent National champion sad (something to the effect of) "we all know the Streaker is 'difficult' offwind in a blow" so I decided not to buy one. If they had a carbon rig I may reconsider. WRT carbon booms, they hurt a lot less if you get it by one and that's enough to convince me of their value.
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