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    Posted: 14 Nov 19 at 6:53pm
Some of what can usefully be coached is very boat specific.
Some is the same on a Sunsail 36 as it is on a Laser.

There is a problem that you could attmpt to coach 5 boats and they'd want to do 5 different things all the time.
You could sail upwind just looking to go through the waves better, you could fiddle with controls, you could concentrate on trim. You could be thinking about judging when to tack on shifts and bends or tsctics relative to other boats.

You can hire someone to buzz around the fleet telling people what they are doing wrong, maybe shooting some video to discuss afterwards. I've seen that work well.

Some of the coaching in RS classes has been excellent. I can't see it paying anyone's mortgage though.

Myself, I could probably race better if I got fitter and did a bit of structured practice before and after races.
Maybe actually reading some of my collection of sailing books again might help?

Doing a ntionals or a few open meetings can improve your club sailing.
If you want to improve, I think choosing a class with some training events and accessible opens or nationals is a good move. Also a class with a high standard, go and learn from some people you respect.
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Oh and I'm avaiable for lee bow tidal training for £200 p/hr
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Originally posted by Rupert

And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.

I do agree that sailors are pikey. 
However, I have run two training events in the last few years. One was class specific and we had a well known pro come and help us out for a day and the second was for Asymmetric with the trainer provided by RS and in both cases we had no issue getting 10 people along and covering the costs.
I would be willing to pay a few hundred for a days training 1-2-1. No idea if that is pikey or not but £200 a day at 220 working days is £44k pre tax so can't be far off what is fair.


I was going to say, it's because y'all rely on individual classes to give training at regattas and the like and since we don't have a Handicap racing class association which is something I'm hoping to persuade folk to change, there's not much on offer for us mongrel handicappers.
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It is much harder to provided sailing coaching than tennis coaching, but now with wireless headsets and go-pro's it ought to be possible. How many clubs have a 'pro' who splits their time between coaching, boat repairs, chandlery etc?

1:1 tennis coaching is typically £20-30/hr. Less in a group, obvs.

Also - you can play tennis most days regardless of weather but if the wind blows too little or too much or if the waves don't show up it can be hard to do sailing coaching every day which means the person being trained has to be willing to sign up and pay for a few days on the basis that then some of that time will be usable to achieve the coaching goals expected.
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Originally posted by Rupert

And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.

I do agree that sailors are pikey. 

However, I have run two training events in the last few years. One was class specific and we had a well known pro come and help us out for a day and the second was for Asymmetric with the trainer provided by RS and in both cases we had no issue getting 10 people along and covering the costs.

I would be willing to pay a few hundred for a days training 1-2-1. No idea if that is pikey or not but £200 a day at 220 working days is £44k pre tax so can't be far off what is fair.
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It is much harder to provided sailing coaching than tennis coaching, but now with wireless headsets and go-pro's it ought to be possible. How many clubs have a 'pro' who splits their time between coaching, boat repairs, chandlery etc?

1:1 tennis coaching is typically £20-30/hr. Less in a group, obvs.
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Crazy that people are happy to spend money on kit, when spending 75% less on training is likely to have more effect on their finishing position.



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And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.
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Google "Dinghy racing training" - a few RYA links and then straight into books you can read.

Google "Tennis Training" or "Improve my Golf" and get ready to be swamped.
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OK - good points and I agree that many of the people I spoke too work in the trade during the week but I was happy to do the training during the week if that helped. The RYA thing is a blind alley in my mind, I was happy to pay outside of the club so there was no need for the person to be qualified - if they were qualified in my eyes then I was willing to pay them cash and launch off any number of public slipways so there is no need to involve a club or the RYA.

There have to be people around who are too tired and old to make sails but too young to shuffle off to retirement. Is there really such a lack of demand that no one is willing to supply services?
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