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    Posted: 08 Nov 19 at 12:02pm
At least on Apolloduck they are now making it clear that it's not a class compliant boat and perhaps their website will also be made clearer when they return from their 8 days closure?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

LPE, PSA, PSJ etc have no interest in the health of the sport beyond where it might impact on profits.

Small volume manufacturers like Hartleys and RS are run by enthusiasts who actually sail the boats and care about dinghy sailing. This is clearly not the case with Laser.

I think you are very wrong to group PSA and PSA with LPE. They have very different company ethics.

I do agree about your point about RS , less so about Harleys. They have ridden rough shod over class associations in the past. 


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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I am sure that most on this forum understand the new offer. But it would be useful to learn exactly the implications of the existing Laser being sold by them as a "racing" boat and the Club as a "sailing" boat.

Will this cause problems for clubs wishing to hold Laser racing events?

Nobody knows for sure at the moment how it will pan out. But as it stands the Racing boat with its WS plaque is a class legal boat which can be used in ILCA races from the Olympics down to club opens. The club boat is not a class legal boat but it’s unlikely ( but possible) that most clubs would stop you sailing it at club races. 
It’s all a bit of a mess , with lots of ball in the air. Will LPE start it’s own class for its own boats ? Will LPE be reinstated as a class builder ? Who is going to be the new builder/builders ? Will the Law Courts be involved? Are just some of the questions.
At the moment knowbody knows and we await further info from the ILCA. 
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From a recent 'Sail World' article :-

"The UK Laser Association notes that the Laser Club is a training boat and may not be eligible to race in events sanctioned by UKLA, however it may be a good option for sailing schools and resorts within LP's territory."

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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by turnturtle

So a UK builder employing UK boat builders

Are you sure that's what they are? Its difficult to be sure of the complications, but if I understand correctly they are now an American builder building boats in Portugal.

That’s the way I see it too with one difference, an American builder building none class legal boats in Portugal  LOL
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I am sure that most on this forum understand the new offer. But it would be useful to learn exactly the implications of the existing Laser being sold by them as a "racing" boat and the Club as a "sailing" boat.

Will this cause problems for clubs wishing to hold Laser racing events?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

So a UK builder employing UK boat builders

Are you sure that's what they are? Its difficult to be sure of the complications, but if I understand correctly they are now an American builder building boats in Portugal.

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Personally I have a lot more problems with this place than SA. One difference is that on SA abusive trolls tend to be called out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 19 at 10:39am
So a UK builder employing UK boat builders gets fed up with all the nonsense, the politics and in-fighting of cross continent class warfare, and decides y'know what, we're just going to offer our ACTUAL customers a better deal.... yet the forum is full of whinging and politicising the matter.

They've just made one of the most popular club racing boats in the history of dinghy sailing cheaper than a decent E-Mountain Bike....  and marketing clearly at grass roots club sailors, sans bullsh*t... they even offer a finance package making a new boat accessible for more people.

Way to go Laser.... and this is coming from someone who wouldn't have peeved on them if the factory was burning not so long ago.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ian.r.mcdonald Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 19 at 10:30am
I agree completely. Mark Hartley has been at Blithfield recently introducing his lad to sailing ( if 20 kts in a Wayfarer can be an intro!)

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