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    Posted: 18 Feb 19 at 6:06pm
List prices are just that in this sector... something to make the almost inevitable discount offers look irresistible when they come along as they will !   'Show deals' and similar are where  most will be tempted to spend their 'hard earned' and always was .....

Comparisons are pointless if you simply go on list ones as discount levels vary enormously.  But the modern epoxy foamed boat does have a very very much longer competitive life and a decent used one really can be a relative bargain with a new sail.   Modern sails ditto btw ....  Back in the day early GRP hulls could go floppy (ie slow) in a few months.  In a few years they also put on the pounds as well !!  As for sails ... well too many were only on the pace for a very short time if pushed.   Much better to buy quality 'used' than cheap 'new'.  Not all will agree but it is just the way I see it.


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Sounds about right, a new Blaze 'ready to sail' is within a pint of £10k, that's without trolly or cover. With two rigs and all those 'essential' extras it's over £13.5k. A 'complete boat' spec Winder Merlin is £14.7k so probably £16-18k with all the bimbles. New boats ain't cheap but boatbuilders have to make a living too I suppose.

But there are plenty of decent used boats out there so you pays your money and takes your choice I guess.
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Yep. You could argue that Aero sailors appear more likely to buy 2 rigs than Laser sailors, but very few would find a need for all 3 unless the boat is for multiple sailors.
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Add additonal sails, spars, trailers etc to a Laser and the price also goes up. Quelle surprise!
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Add in a 5 rig, gets you to 10.6k ,which is pretty well what Peter said.
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Originally posted by Peter Barton

Originally posted by Fatboi

To me, sailing is starting to get a bit silly with pricing. 
If you are not bought in to it and start looking at new boats, or if you have got bitten by the bug and then want to start getting competitive and racing want to upgrade to a new boat then it is a huge sum of money! 
RS Aero, nearly £10k
Laser - £6k
OK - £10k
Solo - £9k


RS Aero 7 is £7,190
Add trolley and cover for £598 and you are good to go.

Where do you get £10k from?
£10k would get you all three rigs and plenty extras - ready for the whole family in a wide range of winds! That is a load more versatility value, if required.

Hi Pete,

I put together a package that I would want if I were travelling and racing on the circuit. Plus a smaller sail for the blasting days at the club! 

Came out as follows...

The headline of 7k doesn't really ring true...!
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Multi manufacturer development classes worked well enough in windsurfing too, until the powers that be chucked a spanner in the works by pandering to the manufacturers and made Raceboards a production board only class and the 'garden shed' builders were legislated out of business.

I don't think many clubs would have survived without racing, the whole reason for clubs it to provide some form of organisation, free sailors and cruisers don't need (and in fact most shun) organisation, much like the only windsurfers who join clubs are joining for the racing......
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I would challenge that regards the RS Aero.
- A significant demographic of RS Aero take up is sailors returning to the sport after a break (career, kids...) who were motivated to do so with the RS Aero's performance/reward and lightness but would not have bought back into the previous heavier options.
- Many smaller sailors (small ladies and youths in particular) would not be able to pull a heavier boat up a steep slipway singlehanded or manhandle it ashore and the RS Aero provides a viable option for them.


Not convinced that that many people would have sat on the sidelines in the absence of the Aero or Zero. Sounds more like post-rationalisation of their purchase based on the central marketing message for the Aero!  Wink 

Ironic that in a sport where the narrative that 'one-design is best' reigns supreme has ended up with clubs filled with handicap menageries. Put the idea of 'one-design' to cyclists or kayakers they argue just as vehemently that it doesn't matter that everyone has different kit because it's the human that makes the difference...  Confused

Seems to work for both those sports (and formula 18 seems to work for cats), so why not dinghies? Multi-manufacturer formula classes run with a keen eye to control costs but with review and development of the rules at planned intervals (like the 49ers). Surely a more constructive direction for sailors and manufacturers than the latest round of manufacturer v manufacturer beggar-my-neighbour.




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Originally posted by Rupert

Still an eye watering amount of money to young people, especially. And to part time dinghy instructors/boot fitters like me.

But I've no real idea how that compares to a similar product from 1979, say? Comparison of income available to be spent on boy's toys, allowing for inflation?

My first Laser cost £600 in 1978. That was just the boat, didn't include a trolley or cover. Google tells me that equates to £3353 in modern money. That was quite an expensive boat at the club for it's day. as most folk built their own back then, and from memory I think Mirror kits were around £150, perhaps a bit more for something like an Ent. Different era, simpler boats, but yes the sport was way cheaper which might explain why the level of participation was way higher too.
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Likewise as long as you dont buy from LP a new laser is less than 5k
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