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Rupert 
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 Topic: Class proliferation...Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 8:23pm |
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Cirrus, just putting an alternative perspective! Quite agree it's about the clubs, but not convinced they are less friendly now than they were. Maybe many aren't about dad going racing any more, but about family balance, a bit like the rest of society. But the most successful clubs do appear to have strong racing as well as other threads of sailing.
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rb_stretch
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 7:41pm |
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And club deals start from three boats upward, so relatively easy to get them even cheaper. Having bought as a group the Aero was pretty close to a Laser price and should last a lot longer before sails etc. need updating. Overall ownership cost is therefore lower than a Laser and in our club at least, the Aero fleet is bigger and more active than the Lasers.
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davidyacht
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Seem to remember Spud Rowsell saying in the late seventies that one of his fully fitted Merlin Rockets was about the the same price as a Mini ... don’t think that a Winder Merlin is much different today. However back then, I lived at home rent free and all of my income could be spent on my Merlin, now youngsters are saddled with more debt ...
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Happily living in the past
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Cirrus
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 6:29pm |
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Cirrus, you complain about people harking back to a golden age, then
do it yourself by saying how good socials were back then, and how so
many people got into sailing by hitching a ride. My memory involves
seeing people driving home drunk and being warned about crewing for
certain people as they were either crap (the better option) or (usually
sugar coated) abusive. Touched a
raw nerve there Rupert ...what sort of a dysfunctional club does it take to
produce such an unfortunate set of memories ? I feel very much more
fortunate in my own early sailing years
at Frensham in the 70’s and at Burghfield
for most of decades since. Not always
perfect of course but always open, welcoming and enthusiastic .. and with some
great socials as hinted previously. My point is that it is NOT really about which class is 'best' or whether purist fleet 'class' racing prevails over handicap ... It is, and should imo, be as much or more about a clubs atmosphere and approach, openness and enthusiasm for sailing in the round ... including racing (just one aspect amongst many note !). Knocking other classes, individuals or forms of sailing/racing and being inward looking is doing exactly the opposite and cannot but help contribute to a clubs decline and fall. The organisation of racing can be good bad or indifferent but is no more important than these other aspects. ‘Great racing’ at a ‘poor’ club is still never going to ‘keep’ or develop its membership forever. Classes and forms of racing come and go ... clubs can have a much longer life and so they should !! That is imo at least ! |
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JimC
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 5:57pm |
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There are so may more boys toys, that's the trouble. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 5:34pm |
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Still an eye watering amount of money to young people, especially. And to part time dinghy instructors/boot fitters like me.
But I've no real idea how that compares to a similar product from 1979, say? Comparison of income available to be spent on boy's toys, allowing for inflation? |
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Peter Barton
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 4:28pm |
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RS Aero 7 is £7,190 Add trolley and cover for £598 and you are good to go. Link; https://www.rssailing.com/rs-pricing-uk/?myBoat=RSTERA (select RS Aero) Where do you get £10k from? £10k would get you all three rigs and plenty extras - ready for the whole family in a wide range of winds! That is a load more versatility value, if required.
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Fatboi
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 1:29pm |
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To me, sailing is starting to get a bit silly with pricing.
If you are not bought in to it and start looking at new boats, or if you have got bitten by the bug and then want to start getting competitive and racing want to upgrade to a new boat then it is a huge sum of money! RS Aero, nearly £10k Laser - £6k OK - £10k Solo - £9k Double handed it is crazy - a new RS200 is £13k!!! and Race Feva £6k. Yes, you can pick up cheaper 2nd hand boats for much less but without the expertise to upgrade them into working machines, I often find they don't work as they should and don't feel like the real specimen and are harder to sail as not set up nicely. This is enough to put me off borrowing old boats, but to a beginner they would feel this is normal and the sensation you get from having a well balanced, well set up boat would not exist!
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Peter Barton
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 12:34pm |
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I would challenge that regards the RS Aero. - A significant demographic of RS Aero take up is sailors returning to the sport after a break (career, kids...) who were motivated to do so with the RS Aero's performance/reward and lightness but would not have bought back into the previous heavier options. - Many smaller sailors (small ladies and youths in particular) would not be able to pull a heavier boat up a steep slipway singlehanded or manhandle it ashore and the RS Aero provides a viable option for them.
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423zero
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Posted: 15 Feb 19 at 10:47am |
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Not one mention of Mirror group news ? The Mirror, Miracle and Mirror 14/16, perhaps a similar combination of a national newspaper and useable boats ?
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