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davidyacht 
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 Topic: Class proliferation...Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 4:27pm |
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Interestingly the RYA’s National Class scheme was originally introduced to protect classes from moments of madness by a classes copyright holders or its members
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 4:08pm |
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I was delighted that at our class AGM last year (held at the Nationals and by the sea) that we voted to reduce complexity by limiting the class to one sail maker and one cut of sail!
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 4:00pm |
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Indeed. So winged rudders worth more than most class member's entire boats seem like a good idea...  |
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davidyacht
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 3:32pm |
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And AGMs are typically held at National Championships by the sea ...
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DiscoBall
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Not necessarily even a faction - just those who sit on the committee. Often they are the keenest people, who live their lives around that class/club/sport which results in being in a bit of an echo chamber. While they often have the best intentions, they can end up taking decisions that aren't in the best interests of the wider group of participants (or potential participants).
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davidyacht
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 3:07pm |
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I don't subscribe to the "my class is better than your class", but I am a dyed in the wool one-design fleet racer. IMO the major change in the last 20 years is the blurring of the lines between "competitive" and "non-competitive" sailing and how this is best managed. There used to be lots of lakes where the sailing club was a quite separate operation to th (often council run) sailing centre. I am not sure that this is about the make and model of the boat, but how a club adapts to accomodate both interest groups, and hopefully feed off each other. I would go further and suggest that Clubs need to embrace other watersports to move forward; people dip in and out of lots of different sports these days and one would hope that there could be a symbiotic relationship that allows for lifetime participation by members, even if they are not sailing for all of that time.
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getafix
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 2:46pm |
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Ha Ha, this thread..... and still they search for the answer in the weeds, while rehearsing all the same old tired "my class is better than your class" arguments from days of old.
Class 'proliferation' is progress. Choice is good. Being individual and liking what you like is OK. Having dozens of sunday league teams, hundreds of bike manufacturers and genres and loads of different public and private golf courses and equipment manufacturers hasn't hurt participation in those sports. The answer might be in asking the customer and prospective customers what they want and actually listening to what they say.... then acting on it.... rather than assuming the current industry and practitioners know best and newbies should do what we think and say to do.
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423zero
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 1:20pm |
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I enjoy sailing Hartley 15, far superior to Bahia, I would buy a Hartley 15 if I were in the market for a 2 hander.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 1:18pm |
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Personal experience and sone considerable anecdotal evidence leads me to believe that many SMODs are significantly heavier than the weight the manufacturer publishes. L2k was a case in point, it gained something like 40kg when they got 'found out' and the quoted weight of 100kg was quietly revised to a much more realistic 140kg. They also, typically, don't specify if the quoted weight is bare hull, hull with fittings, ropes, foils, etc or, even all up (The RS400 does give an all up weight as well as a hull only weight but is the exception.........). At least you know that your new(ish) Merlin hull (with CB and attached fittings) weighs pretty much exactly 98kg.
My gut feeling is that the sweet spot, ready to sail weight, for a singlehander is around 75kg and about 100kg for a two hander but both my boats are somewhat heavier  .Edited by Sam.Spoons - 14 Feb 19 at 1:20pm |
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davidyacht
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Posted: 14 Feb 19 at 12:48pm |
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Jim I had read your post, and I would very much like to concur with the general thrust of your arguement, however if boats are too heavy to pull up the ramp or move around the boat park, they are hardly going to be an attractive option for entry level sailors to fall in love and progress with the sport, either on or off the water. At least an old GRP Wayfarer or Laser can be resurrected from a boatpark graveyard, and these boats offer the opportunity for sailors to progress, I can't see this with heavy polyethylene training boats on all sorts of levels. |
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