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    Posted: 14 Jan 19 at 9:16am
Originally posted by ttc546

We are long gone being an amateur, hobbyist Corinthian sport. Yes, it exists at club levels, but not at the higher levels of yachting, Olympics and other areas. Our august governing body needs to cater for both, and that means being professional, commercial and business-like. Sailing (and related nautical activities) requires professionals with business skills - not hobbyists anymore. If you dont think its now a business at many levels, you are dreaming of past glories of the 70's 

We need to grow up. Stop being amateur. Other activities are competing for our leisure time and that means we need to be more aggressive and business-like.

I think that depends on perspective. For the vast majority of sailors in the UK local, mostly volunteer run, clubs and class events are where it happens and what interests them. I have a bit of interest in Olympic sailing, major offshore events etc, but it's a mild interest. Sailing is getting out there and doing it, and working with others in my club to make it happen.

You are right that the RYA has to cater for both, and there's no doubt their increasingly professional approach has benefited the UK's Olympic sailing performance. But, I see that role as secondary to building up and supporting grassroots sailing, most of which is, and will remain, corinthian. I wouldn't argue that the RYA doesn't support that side of sailing at present, but I would say that should be the priority, and I don't think "stopping being amateur" is the way forward. The way forward is to support the amateurs who represent the vast majority of sailing, and the organisation of sailing, in the UK
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Rereading the advert, I fit the credentials of having an interest in boating in all its aspects, and in sport in general. I fit none of the others. I just hope that the successful candidate has my love of boating and sport, welded to an excellent, analytical mind. Many sailors out there have those skills (chess on the water, after all), and can transfer them to an office environment.

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It would appear that upward trend of obesity matches trend of decline across general sports participation, so perhaps a multi sports platform committee needs to be looked at ?
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Originally posted by ttc546



Think the bigger picture, not of yourselves.

The "12 regular posters" include someone who has outstanding information on what people are sailing through their PY work; someone who has been in the industry for 35 or so years; and someone who has been tracing worldwide trends in sailing participation for years.  Others here are very successful in other areas, such as training and building or rebuilding classes.
In other words, many of the people here are very, very aware of the bigger picture.

My other sport was run by a strategic management consultancy for some time. It was a disaster. The grass roots clubs and taxpayers were left with a multi-million dollar debt, and little else to show for the episode.

I've had a look at the curriculum for various degrees in sports administration. It's very apparent that the issues of grass roots participant sports are largely overlooked. If university business schools ignore that sort of complex issue, and a lot of other aspects such as SCOT (Social Construction of Technology) then isn't it reasonable to be concerned that their graduates may also ignore relevant and major issues?


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The recent RYA webinars related to the future of sailing, identifying social trends and what clubs should do to retain membership (and hence racing), look to me like clear strategy to help small sailing clubs and the small boat sailor in the longer term.   
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Well, I sort of think that it depends on which way the strategic planning is approached. And I guess the successful person might have a say in this. If its top-down...well I guess we get more of the same. If its grassroots-up, then we may get something more relevant to most of us on this forum (and beyond). All we can do is speculate. Most of the major sports, and I'm talking the likes of golf, tennis, cricket, rugby, and yes, even kickers of round balls, are worried about grassroots participation. What should that strategic planning look like for dinghy sailing? And what is our USP (just thought I'd add that in)?
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A quick bit of mental arithmetic against the 2017 participation survey (https://www.pbo.co.uk/news/boating-watersports-seven-year-high-52066) suggests that water activities that fall under the RYA banner had something in excess of 1.5m participants, so that's quite a football stadium...
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Originally posted by ttc546

This topic is about the Strategy post at our governing body

All your small clubs and needs and individual wants are just a tiny piece of the huge jigsaw puzzle. The incredibly tiny minority who typically post here (12 at most) represent bugger all.

Think the bigger picture, not of yourselves.

Given that Y&Y has historically been the vehicle to promote sailboat racing in the UK with an emphasis on Clubs and Classes, then I can’t see what is wrong with the direction of travel.  A forum is merely a substitute for bar chat ... in this case between twelve curmudgeon who no doubt long for the glory days of the late 70’s.  

In all my time posting on this site, I have never thought that anyone takes a blind bit of notice, though I have learned a few things along the way that makes me more open minded to other people’s perspectives.

My concern is that any strategic planning on the part of the RYA May focus on its own empire building and not on the sport of dinghy racing for which I have a particular interest.
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The bigger picture is water users..and whatever you think they number less than a couple of stadiums full of football fans... Niche.

Niche rules apply.

Corporate rules require corporate volumes, volumes of revenue, income stream and last I looked they don't have enough, try a corporate rules acid test, i.e. remove Olympic funding then see how far up that creek they'll be without a strategic paddle.
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This topic is about the Strategy post at our governing body

All your small clubs and needs and individual wants are just a tiny piece of the huge jigsaw puzzle. The incredibly tiny minority who typically post here (12 at most) represent bugger all.

Think the bigger picture, not of yourselves.


Edited by ttc546 - 13 Jan 19 at 9:17pm
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