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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'm sure they are more efficient, but given the number of times I've sailed round Solos and Supersofas in very light winds with them unable to stop going backwards, I'll stick with soft sails and give up that last few % of top end.
But on a 600, or a Cherub? They are all about the top end. Be like putting a diesel engine in a Le Mans car otherwise... ![]() |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Which I do. For my money gust response and depowering are even more important in those circumstances than in steady breeze. |
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zeon ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 20 Aug 16 Online Status: Offline Posts: 316 |
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Very true , unless you sail at a small bit of inland water wth shifty winds, which most people in this country do, in which case it’s vile
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The original Iso/Blaze etc rigs were just awful. Nothing to do with battens.I'd always pick a fully battened rig, smoother handling, longer lasting, depowers better, got everything going for it... |
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Are fully battened sails harder though? I've never felt that personally. Plus the most wear in the 800 main comes at the end's of partial batten pockets.
Had a read of the facebook page just now... My thoughts from there were - makes sense to adopt as many generic RS parts as possible to keep costs down. - new rs rudders are fine themselves, it's how they're screwed to the boat which is the issue - 800 boom should be just fine. There is huge load on the gooseneck in the 800 as the kicker angle is so steep. - I'd definitely go square top. I was the most outspoken against it in 200's, because I didn't think a trendy or performance look was the selling point of the class. In a performance orientated class I think it makes sense to make these upgrades. A nice square top would give the class a jump on the musto, contender and 700 in terms of upwind sails. I'd aim to make it slightly faster than the current sail upwind, by allowing it to depower more, and fit a bit fat cunno purchase. I'm not sure how many more people the square top attracted in the 800s, but, unlike the 200, I think keeping up with performance trends is more important in performance boats. However, you then need to decide whether you pitch the updates as cosmetic only (like the 800 main) or purposefully make them performance enhancing like the 9er updates... personally, I'd go for the later. I reckon the 800 could have nudged the performance more and gone fully battened. The 800 square top is very similar in performance to the pin head. We run the same setting for both and in the bit of club racing we've done against other 8's with the pin head... so RS can do it, if that's what the class wants. But I think it's a bit of a hollow aim. I think you should go the 49er route, have it visibly different and sell it to people as being tangibly better. I also think at national and club level you can easily creep in a decent performance bump without it affecting results in a boat handling orientated class. It's not like the RS200 where 90% of the fleet can tack and gybe well and have boat-speed within 1% where even a tiny disadvantage in top end speed would obliterate someones results. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Maybe not, I haven't sailed a 600 (or the original Blaze rig though the Spice has a FB mainsail). But from the rep of the original Spice and how easy it is to sail now I surmise there is a fairly significant difference between FB and semi soft.
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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my guess would be that it wouldn't make it that much easier to sail Sam, certainly not enough to make it worth while, wonder if they did a trial?
the cadets at my clubs have always appeared to get to grips quite quickly
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Should have gone semi-soft IMO. They aren't going to attract the hot-shots away from their 700's, Contenders, MPS' and Int Canoes so making it more accessible to average sailors would have been a very good move.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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Looks good to me; might give the class a bit of a leg up... |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Good luck, looking forward to the updates.
BTW. Nice to see some actual 'dinghy development' chat breaking out around here for once, rather than actual or thinly-disguised PY-system bashing
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