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    Posted: 27 Nov 18 at 7:07am
Only evèr seen giants sailing Phantoms, always assumed I was too small, never actually seen a Finn in the flesh, well don't think so.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 11:47pm
H2 is indeed a beautiful boat (and is on my wish list) but at 56 kg it is only 5kg less than a Phantom and 16kg less than a Blaze (though it is a huge 51kg than a Finn) and the cost of entry is still high as you say.

FWIW I don't find that scaff pole at all uncomfortable to hang over (I don't know why 'cos, in theory, it should be torture), maybe I just don't hike hard enough (I did buy some hikers but have yet to use them, perhaps I should...).


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I would add another recommendation for the Hadron H2, it's a seriously nice boat for the, ahem "returning to dinghy sailing after a bit of a break", type of sailor.   Has certain advantages over some of the boats recommended earlier. 
Mentioning no names, but does not require you to either kneel in the middle on some of the most abrasive non slip produced in the light stuff, or hang over what feels like a scaffold pole if it's breezy in one case, or suck you into a world of individually matched and gobsmackingly expensive unstayed masts, in an other case.  And you might not do yourself a mischief pulling a H2 up the slipway - its WAY lighter than the two alluded to above. 
Secondhand, the class is still quite new, so not cheap as chips, but as H2 says the H2 Facebook page is the place to go -  super helpful.  Well worth a trial sail, they are lovely boats which seem happy enough inland and on the sea.
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Spoken like a true Laser sailor  Wink ........ You are right of course, 80kg is spot on, 5' 10" is probably a little short but a lot closer to the ideal Laser sailor than me. I'm 76kg (so in Radial territory) but only 5' 6" so Lasers are not nice boats for me to sail. I have owned one and sailed several others over the years and took one out a couple of summers ago when I was considering a singlehander again, it was in perfect F3/open water conditions and it took me about a minute and a half to realise, again, it was not the boat for me.

Of course, 5' 10" and 80kg is a pretty good height and weight for many other boats too (OK, Solution, Blaze, Supernova, RS100, RS300, Contender, at the light end but still in the range for Finn and Phantom just for a start) so 432zero has a fair bit of choice  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by By The Lee


80kg is prime laser standard territory 


The Laser doesn't have a retractable centreboard like the Solution.
You can't rake the rig to depower on the fly on a Laser, like you can on a Solution.
The Solution is wider than a Laser so has more righting moment for people of 80 kgs.
The Solution has a better sail that will last longer than a Laser
The Solution has a sail in a track that can be raised and lowered at the dock.
The Solution rudder is angled correctly so there is no feeling of weather helm like you get on a Laser
The controls on a Solution are better sighted than a Laser.
A Solution has more volume (displacement) than a Laser so is less sensitive to salt or fresh water.

Is that enough reasons?
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80kg is prime laser standard territory 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by 423zero

I am 80kgs and 5 feet 10 Inches would a Finn or Phantom be better, looking for a Saturday special.
The Solution is what you need.

We've got 4 down the lake now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 9:33pm
I have read dozens of these requests and never thought about what boats would be suitable for myself, normally sail Minisail/Laser size boats and Mirror solo and various doublehanders as crew and helm.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 9:27pm
The OP doesn't say how tall he is but in another thread he says he weighs north of 100kgs, at 80kg you are probably pretty much on the money (though at the lower end of the weight range) for either.....

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I am 80kgs and 5 feet 10 Inches would a Finn or Phantom be better, looking for a Saturday special.
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