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    Posted: 26 Nov 18 at 9:09pm
The OP's a big lad I believe, a Finn might just be a bit more sensible than a Europe getafix.......
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Originally posted by Dangerousday

I'm going to end up with a Finn aren't I?


Why not? Mines for sale, buy that
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Europe - from 1960 - and a hoot on a small lake if you are small enough to get under the boom and enjoy (really enjoy) roll tacking and gybing
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Blaze is definitely a boat you can sail 'in second gear' when you're knackered, it's one of it's attractions for me TBH  Thumbs Up I can't remember where Dangerousday said he sailed but if it's a smallish lake a Phantom or Finn would probably be a better choice than Blaze.
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Originally posted by Dangerousday

@ Cirrus I have the same thoughts on the Vortex too, something I'd like to try the once.

Does make it look like I returned to sailing at quite an exciting time for new designs, there was a  choice of what looked like fast and challenging boats. Perhaps the designers sneaked off while the accountant wasn't looking. Does make some of todays designs from big manufacturers look 'safe' in comparison, to appeal to a wider range of sailors - thats not a criticism btw. Competitive racing in something normal humans can mange is a good thing.

But then I'm quite shallow. I drive an old Alfa, because of how it looks, because its not easy to drive like a modern car, but it is rewarding.
I'm going to end up with a Finn aren't I?

The Blaze is very accessible - even the old one I tried a few times before Cirrus improved them significantly.  You could get a lot of boat for your money compared to Finn pricing... and if you sail in heavier wind they might also prove a more comfortable boat to leave in second gear when/if you’re feeling a bit knackered halfway up the beat.   

As for the Vortex.... m’eh.   LOL
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Before you buy a Finn - if you need a boat for the larger person (i.e. a Laser, Solo and Aero fill you with dread because you are not 70kg) then add a Hadron H2 to your list; they have only been around a few years so not many second hand boats but they do come up and sell pretty much immediately via the Facebook group.
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@ Cirrus I have the same thoughts on the Vortex too, something I'd like to try the once.

Does make it look like I returned to sailing at quite an exciting time for new designs, there was a  choice of what looked like fast and challenging boats. Perhaps the designers sneaked off while the accountant wasn't looking. Does make some of todays designs from big manufacturers look 'safe' in comparison, to appeal to a wider range of sailors - thats not a criticism btw. Competitive racing in something normal humans can mange is a good thing.

But then I'm quite shallow. I drive an old Alfa, because of how it looks, because its not easy to drive like a modern car, but it is rewarding.
I'm going to end up with a Finn aren't I?
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I was thinking pre Laser/1971 I guess (in answer to Dangerousday's implied query), those were off the top of my head, boats that were around in the clubs I sailed at back then. I'm sure there are others I've missed, keep em coming. 

FWIW Streaker was introduced in '76, the Unicorn was an A Class designed in '66 (I seriously lusted after one of those). Topper was designed in 1977 and Supernova a veritable newcomer from 1996. And, yes 423zero, apologies for missing out the Minisail (1959/60).

Interesting discussion.

edit :- I love my Blaze (even on a little lake) it's definitely one to try especially if you sail on open water. It is, as Cirrus says, a flyer offwind in a decent breeze but is still remarkably forgiving and the rig is controllable up to winds I would not take a Laser out in.


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Blaze if you're a larger chap and want blasting upwind and down in F5 or more

Partially true and sortof in the right direction  ... but you don't have to be that large (Champions have been as light at 70kg and as heavy as 97kg) .. or sail in a true F5 for that matter.   Once the wings come into play upwind, and that is well before a full F5 and without depowering, you can sail to 'par' with practice.... and when you get to fully hike offwind it really flies.   Not for everyone of course ... but well worth everyone at least trying once.   
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Topper was what, late late 70's or early 80's?

Think the Streaker and possibly Supernova go quite a way back as well.

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