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    Posted: 15 Jan 08 at 1:02pm

Can't speak for any other class, but in FD's the priority in lots of wind and chop is to keep the boat on the plane upwind. Even a small wave taken wrong can lose you a couple of boatlengths - happens to me regularly!! Steering is fast in a chop, but too much steering is the perfect way to keep an FD off the plane. The trick seems to be to get the boat set up as neutral as possible  and use a little bit of rudder and a lot of physical effort. MUCH easier said than done!

Make of all that what you will, I'm by no means a sailing god like all the Cherub boys like us to think they are, and I don't know how well things will translate from the FD to shorter or slower boats that don't plane upwind as readily

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 08 at 12:05pm

Bethwaite again  I should of guessed, cheers Neil.

As for sailing more, the crew and I are part of that liberated group "Without any new kids, enough readies" so we get all the sailing we want. Just need a little theory to back up the practice.

 "High performance sailing" then.



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Bethwaite's treatment of waves is pretty good, and very comprehensive. I'd start there if I were you. Otherwise, go out and sail. Whatever feels fast usually is.
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I suppose the bigger the boat the less darting around you can do. We sailed a reefed Soling on Garda with short steep waves in 25knts and the top shroud came adrift, twas very exciting (brown trousers), It was a hired boat and I should of checked it out a bit better . Still, we managed.

 I've read or viewed most of the usual stuff on dealing with waves, my technique is still not particularly fantastic (read bad). Most of the books say what to do in "waves" and what to do when "flat".  Are there any more comprehensive books about that deal with the issue?



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Longer boat makes very little difference.  In a J24 the problem was just the same.  Most noticeable was the affect it had on downwind speeds.  We sailed angles that were too big in the first few races while we got used to the fact that we could not hit our "normal" target speeds. 
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Absolutely - but then in 25 knots we're not trying to point anyway! At that time I did most of my sailing from Lee-on-Solent, so short chop was almost second nature. Thing to bear in mind is it's quicker to use more rudder than you might like than it is to smash the boat into every wave

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Is the chop easier if you are in a longer boat?  I was in a 470 - you had to stop the boat smashing down into the gap between the waves - go fast and free; don't try to point....
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Originally posted by NeilP

 and water that tastes of cow poo.

Neil

You know what cow poo tastes like?????



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FD class had a Worlds there in 1998. Second half of the week it blew 25+ knots and yes, very short steep chop. Not particularly difficult, just a bit wet and noisy! Major memories are of great hospitality and beer, and water that tastes of cow poo.

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I've not sailed there, but I've a mate who has many times.  His view is that it's very much like sailing at Grafham in terms of wave pattern.  Short and steep and they eat you down hill when it's windy!

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