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    Posted: 08 Nov 18 at 6:47pm
Most of these issues being described come from the boat not being setup/sailed correctly not the boat itself.
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There are boats that fix all these issues, but then it’s no longer a Laser...
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Laser class will not do another mast mod for years, 'so' sail designers need to design sail for existing mast, Sail that doesn't need eye watering kicker and downhaul would be a major step up, this would mean sail and mast would last longer, Sail that would work with a stiff upper mast and weaker bottom.
Hiking straps that could adjust using existing fixing points, not to difficult a tablet to swallow.
Rudder this is another easy fix.
Corners for me are biggest issue.
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TT, why shouldn't you enjoy it? It's a boat!
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by zeon

A better/bigger rudder blade ...

The current one, changed so it can go square to the hull would be dramatic improvement....

I’ve always wondered the fascination with tinkering with the Laser rig over the years.... to be me, it’s the rudder which gives me the shudders more than any other aspect of the boat’s heritage.

Changing the sail is excusable because sails are the only real wearing part with a very short life.
I'd imagine that a change of sail might get voted through the CA, with sufficient notice period.
Or it could be done as a 'sub class' a bit like the Radial.

When you look at the rest of the boat, backward compatibility is the killer issue.
I can't think of a single part of it which is controlled by the class rules which you'd keep, given a free hand. Either you live with all the legacy junk or you sail something else.

My hope with the Rooster is that it will keep me more in touch with the faster boats in the fleet around the course, in light to medium breeze. More tactical on the water. For a low budget second boat it looked like a value option, with the standard rig for a windy series.

I’ll probably get shouted down in flames, but I actually genuinely enjoyed the Rooster 8,1 rig when I used in some light wind Wednesday night races a few years ago.  I could easily see how putting one on a half decent laser (rather the £500 sh*tbox I ended up giving away), would make a reasonable club racing craft for a fraction of the cost an xERO or whatever else you’d end up sailing around on your tod.
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Approving certain modifications would make the Laser a much nicer boat to sail even if all the components remained the same. as has been said, allowing the leading edge of the rudder blade to be vertical for one, free fixings for the toestraps so short-ar5es like me can actually sit the damn thing out and some extra flexibility in control lines and fittings would all help, cost little to nothing and could be applied to old boats as well as new.

WRT the rig, the sail wears out fairly quickly but so do the ally mast sections, they all need replacing pretty frequently to keep a boat competitive (and, in fact, once the mast/boom becomes permanently bent it is illegal anyway). A properly designed new rig would, presumably, last much longer as well as being much nicer to use.


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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by zeon

A better/bigger rudder blade ...

The current one, changed so it can go square to the hull would be dramatic improvement....

I’ve always wondered the fascination with tinkering with the Laser rig over the years.... to be me, it’s the rudder which gives me the shudders more than any other aspect of the boat’s heritage.

Changing the sail is excusable because sails are the only real wearing part with a very short life.
I'd imagine that a change of sail might get voted through the CA, with sufficient notice period.
Or it could be done as a 'sub class' a bit like the Radial.

When you look at the rest of the boat, backward compatibility is the killer issue.
I can't think of a single part of it which is controlled by the class rules which you'd keep, given a free hand. Either you live with all the legacy junk or you sail something else.

My hope with the Rooster is that it will keep me more in touch with the faster boats in the fleet around the course, in light to medium breeze. More tactical on the water. For a low budget second boat it looked like a value option, with the standard rig for a windy series.
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The raked rudder serves to emphasise weather helm (usually heel induced). A vertical rudder would feel much nicer but would takes me acclimatisation as it might give less incentive to sail the boat flat in a breeze.

Edited by Sam.Spoons - 08 Nov 18 at 3:14pm
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Yes - that was the one major noticeable ‘eww this feels sh*t’ to going back into a Laser after 6 months in a d-zero.  The other was the way the deck moulding rubs the back of your calves.  As it happens, the rig, which for years of personal derision, wasn’t as ghastly as I remembered.... that said it was a brand new sail and a straight mast! 
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by zeon

A better/bigger rudder blade ...

The current one, changed so it can go square to the hull would be dramatic improvement....

I’ve always wondered the fascination with tinkering with the Laser rig over the years.... to be me, it’s the rudder which gives me the shudders more than any other aspect of the boat’s heritage.

I am always amazed at how heavy the rudder feels whenever I jump in to one having sailed other classes.
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