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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT5bPEc7KEI
I would love that with mad Luca's face superimposed
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Mozzy.
I’ll be honest I don’t know - I would imagine closer to bethwaite model but I don’t know. The other way ie rs laser has more revenue but more “hassle” I guess. Not sure re Luca’s order of preference of outcomes, but he looks to be backing two horses in a race, similar to ovi with aura and fx, which is just sound business sense. The guy has to wet his beak, capice? |
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Dan, you will know better than I, but the licensed builders for D-Zero, are they licensed in the sense that RS licence hull, spar, sail and foil manufactures, but there is still only one vendor... RS. So even if two manufactures are licensed the RS monopoly is preserved (within the RS class). I.e. if there is a second builder of D-Zeros, will they still be sold through Devoti?
Or is it more like the Behtwaite model where builder-vendors are licensed and can compete on price (in theory)? It would seem even if Luca and Devoti go down the Bethwaite route then there is a conflict of interest where they are choosing who will compete against them in a duopoly. I'm still unclear whether Luca's legal intervention is aimed getting the laser reviewed, so the D-Zero can be considered, or whether it's a retaliation to the threat against the Finn.
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Royalty is typically a small percentage of profit margin ie the difference between sale price and cost price. The rest used to service sales costs, investment, amortisation, marketing, warranty etc. Royalty is fixed percentage of cost price. Obv if sales volume went up from tens a year to hundreds a year builder benefit from economies of scale so the cost price comes down a fair bit. All the economics look much better, ie more profit per boat one would expect. |
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No. Devoti enjoys strong sales in an open market due to it being a meritocracy. Not same as a monopoly. |
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I very much doubt “anyone” can build them I imagine licences builders per territory to satisfy demand / volume, in a similar way to your favourite smod. That said maybe the offer is to open it to builders who knows. |
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Don’t laser and their builders just have to agree that they can sell in each other’s territories (and maybe license another builder or 2)?
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So Luca has a monopoly on the D-One.......???????
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Yes, I get your point, especially when so many Olympic classes are SMODs. But on the other hand, when so many SMODs are sold, surely some should be allowed in the Games, because that means the Games reflect the type of wider sport. If no SMOD was allowed in the Games then they would not be representative of the sport. I think you're right about Anderson, who I find to be an extremely disappointing WS head. I appreciate the importance of small suppliers; it's a complex subject. One thing I do note is that when I did an analysis of class marketing from the '70s dinghy boom it was apparent that the small suppliers spent a lot more on marketing the "normal" one designs. Y&Y's boat show issue was full of big ads for "normal" one designs, paid for by the sailmakers, builders and sparmakers who were involved in those classes. That support meant that the "normal" ODs and development classes often seem to have had the same marketing budget as the SMODs. Perhaps the current dominance of SMODs is because the small suppliers no longer seem to support other classes in the same way?
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