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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Saw something similar at the D-Zero inlands. Ben Flower came to play in a borrowed boat. Most of us never saw him. His fitness and technique were so superior. A couple of people got close at times but he came out on top.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The Endeavour illustrates it nicely. Mr Saxton has won 25 of the last 31 races, and only 3 times been out of the top 3. Don't get me wrong, I think its great he still has the enthusiasm to do amateur dinghy racing in his spare time rather than just grabbing pay cheques on leadmines, but I submit that if the Endeavour really wants to represent the best sailors in the country it needs to try and encourage the top squad member from all the Olympic classes to compete.
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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I think the organisers need to decide whether they want the event to represent the best sailors in the country or the best amateur sailors in the country. After all, it's called the Endeavour in honour of an amateur crew brought in to replace a professional crew in the America's Cup. At the moment the event is a bit of a hybrid, although no less interesting for that.
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I think Ben is a bit of an exception (along with James Peters and Stu Bithell) who alongside his Olympic pathway have always had one foot in the amateur scene, RS200 in particular.
He's basically a pro sailor, but also the most experienced 200 helm in that fleet, so it's hard to disentangle the two.
I don't think his results equate with how the average pro would do dropping in to a class they're not familiar with. I wouldn't expect a pro unfamiliar with a boat to beat to top amateurs in a top fleet. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I think they should award the Endeavour trophy for the best amateur.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Easier said than done. I've raced against plenty of industry pros in Cherubs and Canoes who have no more time and money to spend sailing than I do. In practical terms they're just as much amateurs as I am. World of difference between that and a olympic squad sailor who is fitness trained and coached to the limit. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The Pro/amateur definitions need work, though, if you are going to do that. Maybe ask Olympic squad members to bow out gracefully. Seems a shame you couldn't do it because you work as a jockey for a sail maker in a National class. After all, in most of those cases the job came because of the skills and enthusiasm.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I'd hate to see UK dinghy sailing get mired in the whole pro/amateur b******s...
And consider the case of someone who was a squad member say 18 months ago and has given that all up and just sails recreationally now, but still spends the time in the gym... I'd much rather see other Olympic Squad members to do their class nationals in the UK and roll up to give Mr Saxton some competition... |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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True enough, the pro definition needs to be for those who are paid to sail full time. Those who happen to work in the industry and do a bit of sail testing as part of the job should not be barred from entering.
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I really like racing against pros. Often if they drop in to a class then it's a tough ask for them to win and they tend to flesh out the top half of the results and just add some prestige to the event. Then those who have a history of spending time in a class I don't really mind either. They often still only have a couple of weekends a year to devote to it. As long as they get involved with the social and are engaging I don't think there's much of a downside. I wouldn't count industry employees as pros though. They're often behind a desk 9-5 and sneaking hours for training like the less of us. The issue is probably more apparent if they are racing the boat they sail professionally. It's still nice to line up every now and then but the scale of success is really stacked in their favour at this point (eg. 49er, 470, laser). This is perhaps why the Olympic classes struggle with domestic fleets.
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