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    Posted: 12 Oct 18 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by Do Different

A long established local bike shop closed recently; sales had simply dwindled below that which would cover fixed costs.

It was quoted that bike shops are closing country wide despite the growth in the popularity of cycling.

I firmly believe that there no such thing as an easy saving or quick profit, somebody or society as a whole pays in the end.

  

The owner of our local bike shop is a bit of an arse. it is a shame as I would go there despite them being a bit more than online retailers or places like Halfords for the bits I need to keep my old bike running.
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A long established local bike shop closed recently; sales had simply dwindled below that which would cover fixed costs.

It was quoted that bike shops are closing country wide despite the growth in the popularity of cycling.

I firmly believe that there no such thing as an easy saving or quick profit, somebody or society as a whole pays in the end.

  
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Originally posted by laser193713

 It's why in the bike industry brands such as Canyon who are direct to consumer get so much attention, on the plus side they make access to the sport cheaper and more attainable, but at the same time are likely to kill off the local bike shop. 
Which in turn can kill off valuable sections of the sport like mountain bikes, where influential lbs's would organise rides and tuition for their clients but with out LBS and the profit motive, that very quickly erodes.. sound like anything else we know?

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Of course it does- it’s called a value proposition for a reason.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

 
I think the price is reasonable, it could £899 and those who want it or need it, would still pay it

What people will pay has absolutely nowt to do with value.
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The Marlow (and English Braids owner) flies down in his plane from the midlands when going to see Marlow... I heard that he owns half of Gloucester airport, but that could be just a rumor. 
Controlling the manufacturing and supply to retailers the mark up is outrageous. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Sorry TT but it's hard to see Laser as being better in any of those aspects than the windsurfing manufacturers. And, regardless of R&D I still think a 2 metre piece of simple CF tube shouldn't cost over £500......
A Laser topmast is over 3m long.
If anyone can make 'replica' carbon top masts for a whole lot less than £500, I'm sure there is a market. I'm not aware of any on offer?
Retail is a hard business. Even when it's money for old rope, you have to shift a lot of old rope to pay the salaries, rent, bills, and to make it worthwhile.


Exactly. Try getting a courier contract without an established business when dealing in large product...

I think the price is reasonable, it could £899 and those who want it or need it, would still pay it
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Sails - the material is so cheap to buy and chopping and stitching it back together and all of a sudden its worth hundreds or thousands more. 




It's easy to make a small fortune as a sail maker - start with a large one.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Sorry TT but it's hard to see Laser as being better in any of those aspects than the windsurfing manufacturers. And, regardless of R&D I still think a 2 metre piece of simple CF tube shouldn't cost over £500......

A Laser topmast is over 3m long.
If anyone can make 'replica' carbon top masts for a whole lot less than £500, I'm sure there is a market. I'm not aware of any on offer?
Retail is a hard business. Even when it's money for old rope, you have to shift a lot of old rope to pay the salaries, rent, bills, and to make it worthwhile.
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It's amazing there aren't more millionaires in the marine industry isn't it! Clearly the margins aren't as high as you might think...

I do however agree on the rope analogy, I know how much I pay for rope buying direct from a manufacturer. BUT... there are several different stages to go though before that rope gets to your boat, each stage wanting a margin in the region of 40% to run their business. 

£100 cost price product suddenly gets expensive when you apply each step at a 40% margin!

£100...£167...£278.89...£465.75
Then add VAT and you realise how quickly things get expensive. 

It's why in the bike industry brands such as Canyon who are direct to consumer get so much attention, on the plus side they make access to the sport cheaper and more attainable, but at the same time are likely to kill off the local bike shop. 
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