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    Posted: 11 Oct 18 at 3:00pm
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Considering carbon tube of roughly that size costs about £90/m retail that doesn't sound much of a bargain. And doesn't a D-One top section have a track attached (and a taper?)?

It isnt a standard tube though.
 

D-One mast is all carbon with integrated carbon track - tapered - designed and manufactured for the D-One only!  It's also very strong and durable - over the 9 years that the D-One has been around we've only had one reported breakage which happened in Australia when the guy decided to tow his boat home with the mast up  Clap  Cost of shipping the thing to Oz was more than the value of the mast top section!
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I'd be surprised if they had it specially manufactured. Even if they do, with 100% carbon windsurfing masts coming in around £400 at full retail it still sounds expensive. Firstly I'll bet the carbon content is only around 60% and it is untapered with a constant wall thickness so much easier to make than the aforementioned windsurfing mast. A 60% carbon WS mast retails at around £250. But the ally mast is not cheap either compared to the price of identical tube, it's just the price you pay for sailing an SMOD (and particularly a Laser).
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Considering carbon tube of roughly that size costs about £90/m retail that doesn't sound much of a bargain. And doesn't a D-One top section have a track attached (and a taper?)?

It isnt a standard tube though.
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Considering carbon tube of roughly that size costs about £90/m retail that doesn't sound much of a bargain. And doesn't a D-One top section have a track attached (and a taper?)?
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Originally posted by seasailor

How about the new laser topmast at £525

Its a carbon section and is actually fairly well priced compared to other carbon mast sections. For example a D-One top section retails at £684.

I know it is still significantly more than the old ali top section but comparing like for like (carbon with carbon) it seems pretty reasonable.
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How about the new laser topmast at £525
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Originally posted by mozzy


The most annoying part I've come across is the mast halyard sheave on the 800 for £57
The price is a tad high, but you'd except it if it worked! It's just the most frustrating piece of plastic, the halyard always falls down the side of the sheave, preventing you from either raising or dropping the main. And the only way to stop it is to put a bolt through instead of a pin to hold the cheeks together. It doesn't even come pre-drilled!
There's a few little idiosyncrasies about the 800 which maybe could be done better, and RS are pretty good a making small improvements for usability... how this crap piece of hardware has survived so long I have now idea!


Funny you should mention the ridiculous list price of RS800 parts;
Mast inc rigging £3,213, complete bowsprit £504, a pair of intermediate bars £590 (plus another £17.16 for 4 stainless pins if you want to use them) & corrector weights (3kg of lead) £70 each…………….
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We just use a bobble to attach to the main, but you could splice a shackle on i suppose, then straight up to and over the sheave and down to the turning block at mast base and into cleat.  I haven't got an image of it but we replaced 2 in as many seasons so moved to this and no problems.
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Struggling to picture it. If it's 1:1 isn't the dead end on the shackle and it just goes straight very the sheave and down to the block?

The 2:1 doesn't really pull from the side, it's more at the front it slips off, but I don't see why that would be different with 1:1?
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Originally posted by mozzy

But doesn't it still have to run over the sheave? Do does getting rig of the crane improve the angle?

It does seem a bit of overkill the 2:1, but I thought it was more to reduce stretch / how far back down the mast the main slips under downhaul, kicker and sheet tension?

still have the crane just run it over the sheave and down to the cleat, its then not pulled to one side due to the 2:1 attachment point on the crane.  Its not once come off since the change.  As for slippage we hoist pull all the controls on then release and take up the slip, and most it moves 1cm over the course of a day,  it also looks like it hoists nearer to the top.
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