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    Posted: 03 Oct 18 at 3:02pm
if the events stand on their own merit, and if by chance putting them under an umbrella of a "national series" they continue and if fact attract more to those events, then it can only be deemed a failure if by attracting those new entrants from their od roots.  But if they're attracting them across then surely something is wrong with those particular roots?

hadicap events are getting something right, as are some od classses, but why is there no true od national series or league like club football?  surely that would be the ultimate marker, with league divisions and clubs qualify by entering their sailors as a "squad" (sort of like the british keelboat league but in lasers and more venues).  Do it in lasers to keep costs down and restrict divisions by boat value.  That along with some fun handicap events throughout the year is what id like to see.
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I guess I just don't see the point in the whole exercise.... an umbrella series on what were interesting, unique and well established events in winter barely made sense, but it makes even less sense in summer as others have already pointed out.

I'm sure it will be deemed a success - irrespective of what is said on here.
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OK, we get it TT that you are not a fan of handicap racing and I respect your views even if I do not agree. Would your objection change if the title of the event was different or are you just going to dig in that encouraging the great British public to go sailing at some events around the UK will be the end of all that you hold dear and should be fought at all costs? Barhumbug.
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you can choose whatever you like... I was speaking facetiously.  I think we already know which classes constitute a decent enough challenge to get even a mid fleet result in the plurality that is UK and International dinghy sailing.  

But hey, you know what.... there's really nothing wrong with a few noddy classes jumping on the bandwagon of some spreadsheet racing and getting Mel and Sue to present the prizes if it makes them feel all fluffy.




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Why a Laser? Have nothing against them and I tried to sail them as a youth when I was in the RYA squad with the guys who went on to win many Olympic titles...but at 95kg I would be happier if we agreed to all buy Finns. 

Oh you are too small and weak to sail a Finn....Ah ok....guess we are back to handicap then.

You see until everyone is the same size and weight we might need to accept that people want to sail something that is not a Laser or a Solo.
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... and that's fine, each to their own.  

But presenting it as the Great British Sailing Challenge is rather pretentious, given most folks acknowledge the limitations of the sporting context that is handicap racing.  (Sorry dicking around with the numbers and a couple of GPS tracks won't change that... ever.)

All that will happen is the industry and semi-pro sailors will feel obliged to enter as part of their marketing campaigns, thus further depleting their engagement in proper class regattas and the classes which provide the critical mass.  I think that's a shame- one the beautiful things about going to a proper class event is racing on the same patch of water against folks far more skilled than most of us could ever be; I know I certainly don't like or welcome a spreadsheet blurring that sensation personally. 

I can't imagine for one minute someone good enough at sailboat racing to get free sails, or even more competent than that, who is cutting the damn things for a living; honestly believes any hype around handicap racing.... perhaps I'm wrong. 

So here's my Great British Sailing Challenge - find a cheap Laser, all in less than say, £2k - integrity rules.  Send 'em all off at the same time anti-clockwise around the IoW - no f**king around with handicaps.   Let's really have a challenge if you're going to use such a grand moniker!   


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Anyone who comes along enough to this forum will know that there are different views of handicap or fleet racing. Back to the point though for those that can stoop low enough to enjoy handicap racing or who have a boat that results in small opens then I think the notion of a year round series should make sense and I am happy to hear more!
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Class hopping might be for ego reasons for some, but it certainly wasn't on my part...  

Fervent belief that the the next best thing would slightly better or slightly more suited than the one before maybe....  bottom line for me is that handicap racing was the real problem, it's just not the same sport I grew up with as a kid in Oppies, Toppers, Lasers etc.   And I didn't have the time or commitment necessary to travel to sail something sexier- (nod towards OK, Contender, RS300 and Musto circuits there... still all very aspirational for one day)

My last boat decision was simple D-Zero in handicap fleet (very nice boat) or Laser and proper club racing.... I choose the Laser and don't regret that decision.  

I now don't have a dog in this... I rent boats off sunny beaches these days in between other water sports - and whilst I miss dinghy racing, I don't miss some of the b**locks that goes with it whilst I'm still working full time.  

I would however add, if the future of dinghy sailing is handicap racing only, then I can't see myself bothering to return to it if and when I do live back in the UK again.  One of the draws of retirement or semi-retirement ought to be the free time to travel to nice places and do some proper sailboat racing, and why not share regattas with like-minded classes?  I've no problem with that at all if the races are separate .... but if all that's on offer is more handicap racing, then bugger that, it just won't be worth the reinvestment of time and money- especially given the ludicrous pricing most 'new' boats now seem to be.   
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Originally posted by Fatboi

Not trolling at all. You see people switching classes all the time when the one they sail gets popular and they realize they cannot compete. They then normally jump on here and sl*g off said other class for its design flaws, terribly PY, etc. 
I wasn't talking about those classes, as they are very popular and the laser is definitely not a comfortable boat but the racing holds enough people into the class.



Hmm, that is a bit different from your opening statement of "the real problem is the dilution of classes as people sail random other boats when it becomes clear that they cannot be competitive in a well sailed popular class at club or open level and they get bored of being beaten, so hide behind PY racing with excuses as long as their arms is safe for their egos".
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Some people are inveterate class hoppers, often around the handicap fleet. Others buy into a boat for good or ill and stick with it. I'm one of the latter, I've raced Raceboards enough to know that I can win at regional level and place ok in a fleet of 250+ at the odd Nationals. Now I've moved back into dinghies I sail boats that make me happy, both are nice/fun to sail and put a smile on my face which is good enough for me. 
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