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    Posted: 03 Oct 18 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by RS400atC


]You can buy a slightly used ex-worlds Laser for about £5k, race it for a couple of years and sell it for £3k. That's value at the top end of OD racing,compared to buying an Icon or Asbo and seeing the thick end of £10k evaporate in a couple of years.


And you could buy a decent lawn mower or golf clubs and spend the rest of your life in other mediocrity. Personally I'd rather blow the thirty odd grand I think the running total must be by now and actually enjoy sailing something pleasant, that's the beauty of this sport it's multi faceted, sailing a laser just removes one of the facets.

When I compare my sailing budget with what I pay the bloody tax man to keep us in conniving retarded politicians or my Mrs for new bathrooms, kitchens and daughter accessories, I need to spend more, there's a huge deficit.

Perhaps you should consider adding a Laser to your fleet?
Tell your wife it's an investment.
I was expecting mine to depreciate at a few hundred quid a year, but two years on, people are asking more than I paid, for boats of a similar sail number.
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It's a nice idea guys.... carpe diem! YOLO! Buy it now, bury me in it later!  

But then I guess both of you have paid off your mortgages, put your kids through uni / schools or whatever and aren't carrying the can for a national debt not caused by the generations above you ;-)

You certainly aren't really needing to worry too much about an inevitable Corbyn Government coming in to destroy your generations's entrepreneurial spirit, increase taxes and kill off any desire to push society further forward - phased by self doubt that the generations coming next will be poorer than the ones before them for the first time in centuries.   

And the worst of it is, it's totally understandable.  Jezza will be elected off the backs of a younger generation who feel out of options - sold out to pay for your equity release schemes and pension offloads to pay for that 30k boat- to hell with your care bills that come down the line.   Money never truly earned from your labours- just market forces on cheap property booms never to be seen again.  Young people left with the choice between an 8 x income level mortgage or an equally usury 60+% wage rental bill for single bedroom flats.... that's what's actually paying for those boats.  Or are you suggesting that you'll put a few hours in Tesco overnight stacking shelves buying said boat block and tackle piecemeal?

Anyway, all rather gloomy and political.... enough to make you dance about on stage like to total f**king clown in elation at the prospect.  But thank goodness your generation didn't vote away the rights of young people to escape it all too.... oh, hang on.   ;-)  




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And you could buy a decent lawn mower or golf clubs and spend the rest of your life in other mediocrity. Personally I'd rather blow the thirty odd grand I think the running total must be by now and actually enjoy sailing something pleasant, that's the beauty of this sport....

Spot on !! (well we do agree occasionally).

If you want to save even more still you can just sit at home watching  TV or fiddle around on the web....  before going off to the pub round the corner for a good grumble with the other sad gits who know the cost of so much and the value of very little in life.

As my old Dad said to me years ago "you are a long time dead"  .... so do some of the stuff in the meantime because you enjoy it not because it 'hits the spot' on some damned cost-benefit  spreadsheet.   And btw that does include monetary justification of sailing awful stuff ... for year after year etc etc etc.

Well that is me done for a while ..... Wink




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Originally posted by RS400atC


]You can buy a slightly used ex-worlds Laser for about £5k, race it for a couple of years and sell it for £3k. That's value at the top end of OD racing,compared to buying an Icon or Asbo and seeing the thick end of £10k evaporate in a couple of years.


And you could buy a decent lawn mower or golf clubs and spend the rest of your life in other mediocrity. Personally I'd rather blow the thirty odd grand I think the running total must be by now and actually enjoy sailing something pleasant, that's the beauty of this sport it's multi faceted, sailing a laser just removes one of the facets.

When I compare my sailing budget with what I pay the bloody tax man to keep us in conniving retarded politicians or my Mrs for new bathrooms, kitchens and daughter accessories, I need to spend more, there's a huge deficit.


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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by JimC

Its not very hard to conceive a machine that uses mechanical means to lay up a network of fibres and 3d printing like deposition techniques to put down a matrix. Whether such a thing is practical and offers any advantages over say resin infusion is another matter. But historically advanced sailboat tech has been a spin off from aerospace at least since WW2, so that's going to be the place to go to look for new materials and techniques. If there's nothing on the horizon now there will be sooner or later.

Sounds like the kind of machine which lays the fibres for a carbon mast or a load-map sail.

realistically   at least in the interim / medium term   a long fibre composite being  ' 3 d  printed'  will be  achieved by  the long fibres being laid  as above  then 3d printing the  rest around it 
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My Mirror is 50 years old and until last year had always been stored outside, been at my club almost from day one, it's been painted 8 times, well that's how many layers I counted when I painted it last year, only to change colour from blue to red, perhaps wood is only viable environmentally friendly material, hot or cold moulding will give virtually any shape.
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So £20 a week depreciation? On average I probably go racing 26 times a year so that's £40 each for a days racing? It doesn't really matter if its a dev class or an SMOD, new boats depreciate faster than cars but that's the price we pay for our fun. The way I deal with it is to choose a boat and keep it for several years, the last boat I bought I've had for two years (actually that's not true, the last boat I bought was I bought a Supernova but I didn't get on with it so sold it again). That paradigm is no good if I want to win at National level but fine to get good racing at club and regional events. I guess what I am saying is that, unless you want to win at a high level you pick your budget and cut your sailcloth accordingly.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by davidyacht

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by davidyacht

The problem with Laser is that they have increased the retail price to a point that they we have lost the benefits of their volume production.

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What 'we' benefit from Laser's volumes is being able to buy a used boat with very attractive annual costs in terms of depreciaton, cheap replica sails, insurance etc.
It may look mediocre value for the lump of plastic and bits of overweight metal, but it's the IP and 'content' that adds the value. You could buy nicer hardware for similar money, but that's like buying some obscure mobile phone and finding that there are no apps for it. You buy the whole package. Boat, CA, events, racing, wider society of people owning the damned things.
You can buy a slightly used ex-worlds Laser for about £5k, race it for a couple of years and sell it for £3k. That's value at the top end of OD racing,compared to buying an Icon or Asbo and seeing the thick end of £10k evaporate in a couple of years.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by davidyacht

The problem with Laser is that they have increased the retail price to a point that they we have lost the benefits of their volume production.

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