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    Posted: 03 Oct 18 at 12:15pm
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Originally posted by Oli

i believe it'll be done on dynamic handicap mozzy.

less likely to be cancelled at tidal venues surely, tides are predictable, water companies emptying their reservoirs less so 432zero


presumption that  inland events are sailed on  reservoirs rather than  a combination of  rese / natural  lake /  former   open cast / quarrying   sites 

i only qualified reservoirs in my reply, of course other venues will suffer less as you infer.
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Not trolling at all. You see people switching classes all the time when the one they sail gets popular and they realize they cannot compete. They then normally jump on here and sl*g off said other class for its design flaws, terribly PY, etc. 
I wasn't talking about those classes, as they are very popular and the laser is definitely not a comfortable boat but the racing holds enough people into the class.
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Fat boo, why is it a problem if people choose to sail non mainstream boats, I sail a Minisail, Mirror and until recently a Tinker Traveller, wasn't aware I was causing problems but I will look into it
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Originally posted by Oli

i believe it'll be done on dynamic handicap mozzy.

less likely to be cancelled at tidal venues surely, tides are predictable, water companies emptying their reservoirs less so 432zero


presumption that  inland events are sailed on  reservoirs rather than  a combination of  rese / natural  lake /  former   open cast / quarrying   sites 
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Originally posted by H2

Fatboi - I assume you are trolling. If you really think that people choose not to sail a Laser, Solo or Merlin because they are not competitive then I think you are really out of touch.

I chose to stop sailing a Laser not because I wasn't competitive (because at club level I was and could be somewhere near the front at the local opens on a good day) but because it bloody hurt even with a decent set of hikers on. That and being near 85kg and inland meant the lighter sailors always had an advantage.

I was considering stopping sailing completely until I had a demo in a D-Zero (and the rest they say is history).
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Fatboi - I assume you are trolling. If you really think that people choose not to sail a Laser, Solo or Merlin because they are not competitive then I think you are really out of touch.
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Originally posted by Old Timer

I'd say the current open meeting circuits model is in decline ... I'm not sure many would argue against that.

So the options are:

1) Innovate new attractive events for the travelling sailor
2) Focus on developing clubs so people don't have to travel
3) Do not and allow the current model to wither ...

I think if you sailed a Laser, Solo or Merlin or in most of the youth classes then you would argue that. 

The real problem is the dilution of classes as people sail random other boats when it becomes clear that they cannot be competitive in a well sailed popular class at club or open level and they get bored of being beaten, so hide behind PY racing with excuses as long as their arms is safe for their egos. 
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The 800s are effectively doing that too (piggy backing existing / multi-class events). A lot of our events are shared opens, which being part of the RS family works quite well, as you have the Spring Champs, Summer Champs, Inlands and End of Seasons as multi class RS events already laid on. 

Next year we're counting the HISC Regatta (25-26th May) and the East Coast Piers Race as part of our circuit too. So when you look, it's only Stokes Bay and Lyme Regis which are RS800 opens. The crucial thing, is that we'll be getting a class start in all but the East Coast Piers Race (which is a bit of an exception anyway). 

This suits me, as I think actually the number of boats required to get good fleet racing, is only about 15. But off the water you really want 100+ people to fill out a clubhouse and make the social aspect work. The downside is waiting for your class starts in multi-class events. 

Anyway, going off topic... if you are going to create a class circuit from existing events, then I think there are better formats than mass start handicap events. But, let's see what they do!


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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC

I dunno, I'm not sure this is a great idea. The "summer for class racing" "winter for handicap events" works pretty well, and while big events are nice earners for individual clubs that have the capacity to host them, its also takingaway people from the individual clubs.


This is spot on... what clubs will be left to host such events when many could be left running on shoestring budgets - both in terms of Man power and financial resources.   

This programme facilitates a zero requirement for club membership - whilst that has always been the case to some extent, this really could blow the bloody doors off.

I am of the opinion that there should be a national requirement to be a member of an RYA recognised club in order to race ... and that racing as RYA should not meet  this requirement.  I know that there are those on this forum that disagree, but imo being a member of an RYA club is important to ensuring that the virtuous circle of our lifetime activity in the sport works.

As I see it, this is an open meeting circuit for handicap racers, imo a flawed type of racing, when our club only offers this as the only option I prefer to do non sailing activities, so good luck to them, but I would be surprised if this gets any traction.
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I'd say the current open meeting circuits model is in decline ... I'm not sure many would argue against that.

So the options are:

1) Innovate new attractive events for the travelling sailor
2) Focus on developing clubs so people don't have to travel
3) Do not and allow the current model to wither ...
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