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    Posted: 27 Sep 18 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by Bootscooter

Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Originally posted by Bootscooter

No comment from Dan Holman about my Fusion Plus idea..... I wonder.....


Ha yeah build it and they will come!
Fusion are very busy having just launched the Maverick recreational craft.
And I’m retired


BOOOOO!!!!!

Seriously though, is it too much of a compromise to be able to produce a reasonably priced adult sized rotomold that performs to near Laser levels (PY1100ish)?


No it sounds doable on paper. Only issue is that even if you get it out for sub £3k ie less than half @ero money, and still about £2k less than new laser, you still have to compete with the large fluid market in used lasers for £3k or less, which would probably appeal more to non institutional buyers.
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What if they go kiteboarding and invest their trust fund in a blockchain technology instead...

Besides, something big might come along economically speaking, and sailing in Frankfurt sucks
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Originally posted by turnturtle

And that’s the difference between a craftsman and a businessman... nowt wrong with it, capitalism thrives with both; but it’s chalk and cheese.

I have a theory. To be proper art, it has to be done speculatively / independently, by no means to a commission.
Anyone fancy building boats speculatively 😀😀😀


It’s a good theory... craft and art are different after all.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Joking aside, plonking someone new to sailing in a boat giving them the wiggle stick in one hand and the bit of rope to pull in the other in similar conditions to newcomers to SUP, i.e. light winds. What's the difference?

I could make an argument that technically SUP is more difficult since you have to balance and paddle only on the one side


I'll await the GRF/TT joint kayak/SUP/dinghy rental.  LOL You can set them all off, no instruction, no safety cover over a few miles of protected waters with the task of getting to the pub and back. I'd bet you'd get all the kayaks back, most of the SUPs and none of the dinghies.  Wink 

In fact if you get them to prepare their own craft then the dinghies would never even make it  to the water - there's an awful lot of assumed knowledge in sailing that's pretty abstract to non-sailors.

Yes, these all sports have their peaks of skill (we sometimes share surfski races with SUP guys and it is hugely impressive, both their balance and speed, compared to a 20ft racing kayak), but trying to claim the learning curves are identical is mistaken (and what leads sailing to be so rubbish at recruiting new people). 

At beginner level SUP has a built in, immediate, easy mode... you kneel down... Wink
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You do in dinghies too mate...
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Originally posted by DiscoBall

Originally posted by iGRF

Joking aside, plonking someone new to sailing in a boat giving them the wiggle stick in one hand and the bit of rope to pull in the other in similar conditions to newcomers to SUP, i.e. light winds. What's the difference?

I could make an argument that technically SUP is more difficult since you have to balance and paddle only on the one side


I'll await the GRF/TT joint kayak/SUP/dinghy rental.  LOL You can set them all off, no instruction, no safety cover over a few miles of protected waters with the task of getting to the pub and back. I'd bet you'd get all the kayaks back, most of the SUPs and none of the dinghies.  Wink 

In fact if you get them to prepare their own craft then the dinghies would never even make it  to the water - there's an awful lot of assumed knowledge in sailing that's pretty abstract to non-sailors.

Yes, these all sports have their peaks of skill (we sometimes share surfski races with SUP guys and it is hugely impressive, both their balance and speed, compared to a 20ft racing kayak), but trying to claim the learning curves are identical is mistaken (and what leads sailing to be so rubbish at recruiting new people). 

At beginner level SUP has a built in, immediate, easy mode... you kneel down... Wink

All true but it doesn't take weeks of training to make a dinghy go in the light stuff. I'd hazard that most people would get the hang of the basics with half an hour's help and a couple of hours playing about in the water.

WRT to SUPing, I tried it on flat water, stood up in the first 20 yards, then decided it probably wouldn't excite me for long and gave it back to my mate. I suppose I may reconsider as it does get you on the water and it has got a higher 'cool' factor than a SOT......
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by DiscoBall

Originally posted by iGRF

Joking aside, plonking someone new to sailing in a boat giving them the wiggle stick in one hand and the bit of rope to pull in the other in similar conditions to newcomers to SUP, i.e. light winds. What's the difference?

I could make an argument that technically SUP is more difficult since you have to balance and paddle only on the one side


I'll await the GRF/TT joint kayak/SUP/dinghy rental.  LOL You can set them all off, no instruction, no safety cover over a few miles of protected waters with the task of getting to the pub and back. I'd bet you'd get all the kayaks back, most of the SUPs and none of the dinghies.  Wink 

In fact if you get them to prepare their own craft then the dinghies would never even make it  to the water - there's an awful lot of assumed knowledge in sailing that's pretty abstract to non-sailors.

Yes, these all sports have their peaks of skill (we sometimes share surfski races with SUP guys and it is hugely impressive, both their balance and speed, compared to a 20ft racing kayak), but trying to claim the learning curves are identical is mistaken (and what leads sailing to be so rubbish at recruiting new people). 

At beginner level SUP has a built in, immediate, easy mode... you kneel down... Wink

All true but it doesn't take weeks of training to make a dinghy go in the light stuff. I'd hazard that most people would get the hang of the basics with half an hour's help and a couple of hours playing about in the water.

WRT to SUPing, I tried it on flat water, stood up in the first 20 yards, then decided it probably wouldn't excite me for long and gave it back to my mate. I suppose I may reconsider as it does get you on the water and it has got a higher 'cool' factor than a SOT......
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Posts: 3401 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 18 at 7:08pm
That is my take, I might just dig out the Rotobat and have a relaxed float around in that instead 🙃
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I'm waiting for an SDP. Why do you have to stand up - what's wrong with sitting down. Can you fit a chair to an SUP?  Smile
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When you give someone half an hours coaching and tell them to head for buoy 4 turn around and come back to Buoy 7 and then back up to Buoy 4 again, in other words reaching backwards and forwards, this is sailing I admit 'but'  'not really' it's a start that's all. To suggest anything else is totally irresponsible, all these stories, I learnt to swim when my Dad threw me in the pool and walked away, good enough for me good enough for anyone, didn't hurt me, (with a twitching eye and a tremor  LOL ).
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