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    Posted: 27 Sep 18 at 7:34am
Originally posted by KazRob

In the same vein as using newspaper, there's a very well known Danish OK with postage stamps below a clear finish. Stunning but how much work must that have been!



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I think sending this to Nathan at Ovington and saying I want this instead of the boring grey for my Phantom might get a response Wink

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It's good to see young Mr Holman back on here, especially as I've worked out exactly what new boat I'd like to see.....

In this day and age, with more and more Clubs wanting to provide a 'gym membership' style product for their members, what I think is needed is a Fusion Plus....

A bit longer than the Fusion, and a little bit deeper, the Plus would be a proper grown-ups version of this fabulous little rotomould. This would allow Clubs to go and buy a ready-made fleet for their members to use.... all the benefits of low maintenance etc, with performance around Laser levels.

Here's my thinking....
Lasers are easily the biggest fleet at our Club, but with the exception of 1 or 2, they never leave our water to do opens etc, so the only reasons they're bought are;
a) To get fleet racing
b) To benefit from strong residuals

If the Club were able to buy 6-10 Fusion Pluses, both of these issues are addressed, with those who still wish to have their own boat still buying if they so wanted, but the majority could pay their all-inclusive memb fee and race the Club fleet.
The boats (just like the Fusion) could be leisure sailed during the week, with or without jib (and kite), then unarig raced at the weekend.

So Dan.... a Fusion for 2 adults (and raced laser-style by one..... could it be done?
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Bootscooter I think that a credible club owned fleet has merit, though I would prefer this to be a two hander offer, which offers a route to get families and friends sailing together.

The Fusion looks a much more considered bit of kit than the other OEM polyethylene offerings that we have to shift when we cut the grass in the boat park.

It is a shame that there is not a material combines the tactileness (is that a word), stiffness/weight ratio and repairability of GRP/FRP with the wear and tear resistance and low unit cost of polyethylene.
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Instead of pratting around with seventies roto'guess'moulding technology we should be tasking young Mr Holman into producing CAD files capable of 3D printing a boat. I would think by now there are machines about big enough and materials light and sturdy enough for the task and as a 'just in time' business production model that would suit the volumes that this 'market' is capable of providing, ideal for the task.

Like plans for wood builds, he could sell the files to independent builders or classes if you will.

Either way, it strikes me as the only sensible route for the future.

Edit.. Not quite as ridiculous as it sounds.. Titanium Laser anyone?)

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ISTM that lots of people have paid £400 or whatever for a sit-on canoe or SUP this summer.
Maybe that's the price level you need to get down to if you want mass market?

Maybe it's either that or the connoiseur market where a £10k and upwards price tag is not a barrier. A lot of people seem able to pay big money for a motorbike to use a few times a year, but they want the satisfaction of owning something perceived as being exclusive and desireable, even if a cheap option from China would do the job just as well.
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Mass Market is never really an option for watersports for two reasons, 1)Half the population can't swim and 2)Of those that do their greatest fear is deep water. Source for this was a survey we engaged years ago when windsurfing first showed signs of declining it was carried out for a manufacturer, ironically rotomoulding cheap boards, they went broke. This sort of leisure item really needs fair pricing for perceived good quality,performance and added value features, can't think of a single dinghy product that ticks any of those boxes.

The same time I bought my bits of plywood and epoxy fashioned into a racing dinghy shape I also purchased a retro classic triumph scrambler, guess which one I'm really happy with and which one is a joke has constantly fallen apart and will have to go back to the builder for a thorough overhaul.

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But the market for £400 products looks to have been pretty big this Summer.
Though at any one time there seemed to be 5 times as many canoes and boards on the beach as on the water?
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Originally posted by iGRF

Mass Market is never really an option for watersports


Would have thought the SOT and SUP boom of the last few years is fairly close to mass market as many sports get.

Probably difficult to recreate in sailing due to the expense of the foils/rig/sails even if the hull is cheap as, and once you get to dinghy size and weight you lose the portability/storage advantages and the actual sailing learning curve is not something most can do without significant training.

However as a pay/play club fleet it does sound like an interesting idea.

Recent big growth seems to be in inflatable SUPs - Tinker Tramp anyone...  Wink
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Originally posted by RS400atC

ISTM that lots of people have paid £400 or whatever for a sit-on canoe or SUP this summer.
Maybe that's the price level you need to get down to if you want mass market?

Maybe it's either that or the connoiseur market where a £10k and upwards price tag is not a barrier. A lot of people seem able to pay big money for a motorbike to use a few times a year, but they want the satisfaction of owning something perceived as being exclusive and desireable, even if a cheap option from China would do the job just as well.

I was of the impression that £400 will not get you very far for an SUP ... and I am also have a feeling that the "starter" one is not going to fulfil your long term ambitions, or maybe I have been looking in the wrong place
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