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    Posted: 12 Sep 18 at 6:51pm
Thing is, the Tasar is a real pleasure to sail. The Ent ain't. Irrespective of association members, I'd take a Tasar over an Ent any day. The Ent is only better in a drifter.
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All this talk of old dross, when clearly if you look back at the most asked for dinghy on this forum is a decent boat that can be sailed single or double handed and designed for that purpose. Use it on your own, or bung on an extra sail and use with crew, not exactly rocket science, you'd think it would have been done by now.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Use it on your own, or bung on an extra sail and use with crew, not exactly rocket science,

In some ways more difficult than rocket science since you're fighting the laws of physics because the total displacement varies so much. And the lighter the boat the worse the problem. Its possible to have a mediocre hull that works with 12 stone or 24 stone on board, but its more difficult to get one that will do both jobs with excellence - unless its a boat that's so heavy that 12 stone more or less is neither here nor there, which isn't really the idea.

This is the trouble. If you want a really first class single hander and a really first class two hander there are really very few parts that could be common to both. The boom and the rudder perhaps...
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The main issue is that the mast needs to be in a completely different position when you bin the jib to sail it singlehanded. The original Mirror had two mast feet, one for two/three sails and one for mainsail only. That's the only way it can work. And you still have the hull volume/underwater shape issue which changes dramatically if you half the crew weight.

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iGRF,
Phantom single sail when solo, jib and main when 2  handed 
Movable mast, usual position solo, further aft 2 handed.
Similar to Mirror etc.
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Originally posted by JimC


In some ways more difficult than rocket science .

Nope it's just a design problem, move the mast, easy put it in a track, displacement enough for two normal folk, so yes it could be done with a Phantom sized hull. In fact I reckon that would be a nice place to start.

Three boats could be built, single sail, twin with jib and of course a kite.

The other boat that I always thought could be single hander material would be that furballl thing. So reverse a twin to single and update that awful looking rig whilst you're at it and assymm the rig.

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Trapeze the Fireball single handed ?
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The easiest option would be a two sail boat, self tacking jib to keep it balanced singlehanded with a trapeze and add a kite and genoa for a hiking two hander. Simple mast rake tweaks should then be possible to make it work in both modes. It would still be a lively brute solo or a little tame two up depending on crew weight though.
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Originally posted by boatshed

Thing is, the Tasar is a real pleasure to sail. The Ent ain't. Irrespective of association members, I'd take a Tasar over an Ent any day. The Ent is only better in a drifter.

I can't say I agree with the Ent not being a pleasure to sail in anything but a drifter. Sure it's a handful in F5+ but up to there it's a very well mannered boat. TBF I haven't sailed a Tasar but, if it has a similar rocker to my Blaze I can understand it being brilliant fun when the wind is up but it's lack of rocker that makes the Blaze so good when it's windy that makes it sticky in the light. That is the compromise the designers made when they drew the lines for the Blaze and Tasar.


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Originally posted by zippyRN

  always disliked is  the deck stepped  mast ,  for a 'solid' rig   a deck stepped  mast  just makes  the  actual process of rigging rather harder and fraught  than a  keel stepped  mast.  
 

Disagree, you can't be doing it right.

a keel  stepped mast will stand on  it;s own   while you connect  and adjust  the shrouds  / forestay 

a  deck stepped mast requires a  strong person to  hold the mast  in place 

i have NEVER seen someone rig an ent  from   travelling condition  single handed 
 
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