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    Posted: 30 Aug 18 at 12:42pm
What you're describing is a dealer network which sadly the marine business lacks and was the reason when the guy that set up the original windsurfer network acted the way he did back in the day and an entire industry of actions sports sprang from his embryonic thinking.
At the time a dinghy business, Racing Sailboats he used the dinghy market as an example of how not to run a business model and encouraged entrepreneurs to sell windsurfers with a basic 30% margin which is the minimum a small business needed back then to survive.
So if you want someone to invest 150k the very least they would want is £258k turnover to result, which is a minimum of a 25boat annual turnover at 10k per boat (inc vat) and 7k per boat unit cost also inc vat. Or 50 boats at 5k and ex works cost of 3.5k.



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Originally posted by Noah

How to end up with a small fortune in the marine industry: Start with a large one!


IMO if you don't have a clear plan A and a decent back-up plan B, then that works for pretty much any industry !
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Originally posted by Noah

How to end up with a small fortune in the marine industry: Start with a large one!

Perhaps. Although think about how we used to buy cars and how we now buy cars. Personally I have never used PCP or those finance deals but I bet based on the number of new cars that most people do. If people are OK with effectively renting a car long term then why not a boat especially if the deal was targeted at key clubs and sailors that were considered important at getting traction and hence made attractive by the assumed discount of future sales. Sometimes there is great merit in using models that have been proven in other industries.
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Originally posted by getafix

its a shocking sensation isn't it? finding yourself in agreement with GRF !!

Yeah - may need to go for a shower to cleanse myself  LOL
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its a shocking sensation isn't it? finding yourself in agreement with GRF !!
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I agree with this approach and the comments from iGRF and Getafix actually. The guy that builds the H2 did have two demo boats and was rushing around lots last year but he got to the point where he could not build them fast enough so the demo boats kept getting sold as quickly as he could build them. Where the boat has gotten traction is at places where someone has one - at my club me and one other guy bought in after a demo and that lead to four others buying boats within the next few months once they saw it out there. Whilst I do not have a deal with the maker, he has treated me well when I needed replacement parts or enquired about a trade in which I am sure he sweetened to make it about the cost of a new sail in order to help generate second hand sales which are few when a boat is new.

I like the idea of building a model around someone financing a fleet and getting paid out of subsequent sales. Might look at that myself in a few years if all goes well at work!!
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]In my mind the H2 never set out to compete with a Laser


The reason the H2 hadn't come up is because hopefully it's a bit early to say 'whatever happened to' ..
The H2 still has traction it's problem comes from lack of marketing in a global sense, there's a potential customer down here, he's been waiting ages to even see one, talks of some event might about to be going on at Herne Bay which is an hours drive and a day out of his life and unlikely even a chance to try it.

Getafix nails exactly the issues, boat numbers and people to spread the word which would be done better with an open rig and more folk profiting from the sales spread in the lack of the ability to finance large numbers of demo boats. Three years ago I made exactly the same case to Ovingtons regarding the Solution but it fell on deaf ears, folk in the marine business are far too involved in their businesses often to see the bigger picture.


Nothing wrong with being involved in their business closely. I suspect that the marine trade suffers from a lack of awareness or experience in raising funding. There are many well-meaning, thoroughly talented crafts-people with some incredible skills. What I don't see so much of are the young, technically savvy people you see getting hundreds of thousands or millions in VC or start-up funding for some really quite spurious business cases.

~£150k-200k would build you a nice fleet to seed the market with if you could find a backer willing to take the risk, a talented builder willing to commit and had a business model that enabled lots of sailors and vendors to get into the new class fast because they could access the product and make money out of promoting it.
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Originally posted by H2



]In my mind the H2 never set out to compete with a Laser


The reason the H2 hadn't come up is because hopefully it's a bit early to say 'whatever happened to' ..
The H2 still has traction it's problem comes from lack of marketing in a global sense, there's a potential customer down here, he's been waiting ages to even see one, talks of some event might about to be going on at Herne Bay which is an hours drive and a day out of his life and unlikely even a chance to try it.

Getafix nails exactly the issues, boat numbers and people to spread the word which would be done better with an open rig and more folk profiting from the sales spread in the lack of the ability to finance large numbers of demo boats. Three years ago I made exactly the same case to Ovingtons regarding the Solution but it fell on deaf ears, folk in the marine business are far too involved in their businesses often to see the bigger picture.
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Originally posted by Pierre

Saw an H2 in Chichester Harbour just around Itchenor a few weeks ago. We were coming round from Northney and it was blowing a 6.  The bloke in the H2 was going upwind at a rate of knots and looked very comfortable. Not busting a gut hiking or anything desperately strenuous. Bloody good advert for it I thought.


There are two at Itchenor now so probably one of those. It is nearly 2m wide which helps upwind in a blow and the rig is easy to depower even with a 9M+ sail. The mast deals with the gusts nicely too. We had a recent race at our club in a blow and everyone went swimming at the gybe mark except me and that was more to do with the boat than my skill!!
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