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    Posted: 12 Jan 08 at 12:09pm

 Hoping to sail on the Ijsselmeer in Holland later this year. I've checked out on Wiki and found some other useful stuff. One site says this 

"When sailing on the IJsselmeer, prepare for the typical 'IJsselmeer-waves'!"

Has anyone any experience on this Lake? We will be sailing from Makkum at the northern end of the dyke.

Also this is our first time taking our boat abroad, what problems are likely to arise? Ferry or Train? I've got 2 towing options, Rover 200vi or a VW transporter t4. Any tips on taking a boat abroad would be helpful.



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Take proof that VAT has been paid. It's unlikely you will need it but if customs stop you, you may wish you had it. 
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The Ijsselmeer is a great place to sail because it's huge and it's fresh water - but it is shallow.  This means that the waves tend to be steep and close together - more like a high chop than any kind of rolling wave pattern.  Getting over the chop is an art in itself, but it really only builds up if there is a strong wind.  Try not to turtle or you may well stick your mast in....

I always took the ferry and had no problems at all.  Just make sure your boat and towing vehicle complies with all the European regs.

The Dutch are a very friendly bunch and nearly all speak English very well.  Personally I would take the transporter and camp - there are some great sites round the Ijsselmeer.

Even more important, the beer and coffee are excellent.

Be prepared to eat a lot of cheese.
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Cheers for that, I had a look at you tube to see what this Ijsselmeer "chop" was all about and I see what you mean.

First clip is rough, a very short wave pattern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feORLSzYJ6I

second clip is calmer but you can see the wave pattern (particularly in the first few seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjX4a5NPSc

We will have to work out some way of dealing with it if it's rough.

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I've not sailed there, but I've a mate who has many times.  His view is that it's very much like sailing at Grafham in terms of wave pattern.  Short and steep and they eat you down hill when it's windy!

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FD class had a Worlds there in 1998. Second half of the week it blew 25+ knots and yes, very short steep chop. Not particularly difficult, just a bit wet and noisy! Major memories are of great hospitality and beer, and water that tastes of cow poo.

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Originally posted by NeilP

 and water that tastes of cow poo.

Neil

You know what cow poo tastes like?????



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Is the chop easier if you are in a longer boat?  I was in a 470 - you had to stop the boat smashing down into the gap between the waves - go fast and free; don't try to point....
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Absolutely - but then in 25 knots we're not trying to point anyway! At that time I did most of my sailing from Lee-on-Solent, so short chop was almost second nature. Thing to bear in mind is it's quicker to use more rudder than you might like than it is to smash the boat into every wave

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Longer boat makes very little difference.  In a J24 the problem was just the same.  Most noticeable was the affect it had on downwind speeds.  We sailed angles that were too big in the first few races while we got used to the fact that we could not hit our "normal" target speeds. 
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