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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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^ This, easy access is definitely a big factor. I'm currently wrestling with what to do with the Spice. I love the boat, it makes me smile every time I sail it but I'm never going to get to it's potential, even with my 'regular' crew and the Spice's low (especially-for-a-twin-wire-boat) potential. So I'm wondering if it's time to move her on and buy a 400........
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Neal_g ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 323 |
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1995 fireball 2300 on apolloduck
1991 composite 1150 on apolloduck. Sym. Kites GRF easy enough for a 7 year old to use and win with |
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Miracle 4040 GP14 13407 Crewsaver phase 2 range now available to buy online on at http://www.gibsonsails.com |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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It's nothing to do with Hype, it's just easier access. A lot easier to take a complete new to sailing pal out and tell him to just pull on that one rope and up goes the kite and out goes the pole. Swinging it or not depends on the course and weather and controls to do that can be routed back to the helm. Anything that makes things more tricky reduces numbers, haven't we learned that yet or does the sport need to decline further?
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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It's actually 20-odd years on. Plenty of classes of all genres get to bargain basement level in 20 years. The 4000 was actually a good boat. Particularly IMHO, compared to the 5000. How much does a 1995 vintage, no upgrades GRP Fireball fetch? OTOH, I've always regarded Fireballs as a fast boat. Because they were always out going very fast in lots of wind when the likes of Ents, Solos, Wayfarers were too much like hard work and sensible people were watching from the clubhouse.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Hype vs Reality a few years on:
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Yes, I can picture it now.... a good solid F6 on a gloomy, lumpy Weymouth Bay day.... two blokes sailing together and looking suitably dishevelled and they take another face full of man the f**k up juice from the loins of Poseidon himself. None of that 'buy a Topper Buzz and even Brightlingsea will feel like Garda' tits n' teeth stuff I grew up on.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the assy became standard first, and the symmetrical kite was developed later. One can think of many '90s ads speaking in breathless hype about the wonders of being able to sail directly to the leeward mark. Topper would have had huge headlines about how macho it was to handle a detachable pole, complete with heavily edited quotes about the joys of being able to sail tight reaches AND sneak out of the tide. Magazines would have been full of articles about the trendy new technique of sailing low, and sneers about those who insisted on reaching back and forth with assy kites. Some of those of us whose first dinghy was an assy with a swivelling pole find the whole assy hype rather amusing. It's not that I don't like them, either - of our three kite boats, one has a sym, one has an assy that sometimes runs a swivelling pole, and the other has a standard assy. But the hypesters who ignore their downsides and denigrate sym kites are rather amusing.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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The guys who design the best assy boats also sailed and sailed sym boats.
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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Yes - there seem to be a lot more Fireballs around than any other medium sized two man trapeze boat - fairly healthy generally
They are fairly useful in most breezes and acre indeed one of the few trapeze boats that can be sailed at smaller venues Messing about with an asymmetric would certainly kill it off - if you wanted an asymmetric why would you simply not go for a boat that was designed with it already ? |
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Fireballs already have a swinging pole that works through a wide angle, far greater than any contraption mounted below the forestry... having a symmetric kite means they never need to gybe it. It's pulling non-stop from the moment it's set, to the moment it's dowsed.
The symmetric is absolutely ideal for enclosed waters, and it's probably the reason the fireball has held a niche as a trapeze boat that can be sailed at tight venues.
Putting an assy on a swinging sprit is counterproductive for obvious reasons. Plus, snowflake? A term once used as a put down to the easily offended youth, now reused by the elderly who find themselves low on wit and confronted with a counter views. |
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