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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Most of our younger newbies start in a Laser, majority of them stick with Lasers. I sit on the thwart in the Mirror, mind never sailed it in a drifter yet, not sure if you can get any further forwards ? Will have to have a look.
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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I've sailed a mirror while sitting on the foredeck (single handed), with a crew, just send them in front of the mast!
Anything to lift the large flat part of the hull out of the water... (Be careful - not very stable, nor is it easy to reach the tiller extension) Colin
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Surely a fair amount of average to good laser sailors are avoiding the PY entirely (or at least avoiding it in meaninful ways) and racing at clubs with proper fleets? What’s th point of a Laser if it’s not for the proper racing it affords???
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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PY is so favourable on Sprint I could win virtually every race.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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How many of the top Laser sailors race in handicap events (apart from the few high profile ones like SailJuice and the Birkett)?
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Add the words ‘above average’ to apply to your point... which I agree with btw. Then look at the number of Laser returns compared to any other class and argue it’s not the most representative.... Then go on a forum and pick a side of the debate and realise the only conclusion is handicap racing is b**locks.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Handicap racing is only b**locks because nobody with any sense is working to make it better, plus that attitude by it's very nature is killing the sport, since, for most of us handicap racing is all we've known or all there is available ergo dinghyracing is b**locks.
Now with the combination of that attitude, the lack of committment elsewhere you have precisely the reason the sport is in decline. You and your attitude is exactly that of the 'establishment' so therefore you're all guilty of killing the sport. ![]() |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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OK following that, I'm going into full rant now.
You say class racing is the only true fair way to race, yet here on this very thread you have inequities galore, multiple sail types multiple mast types. Even the death trap rock n rolla 200 has at least two different sails now, then take a wander over to the Super Sofa and check out the variety. Show me a Streaker I'll find a faster one, or a Solo.. class racing is no guarantee of equality of performance. In truth there can be only handicap to even things up. But nobody is even thinking about doing it right. Edited by iGRF - 04 Jun 18 at 11:06am |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Well said iGRF
![]() Negativity is such a destructive attitude, just enjoy your racing, life is serious enough without taking it sailing with you.
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